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Expert Textpert said
@Wigwam you conveniently only mention the songs where Yoko makes non-verbal sounds, but she has written lyrics to many of her own songs and carries a tune. I just don’t buy this argument, especially from someone who “fancies Yoko.” If you fancy Yoko, you should know that she has songs with melodies. She isn’t always pitch perfect, but then many singers aren’t. Take for example Ian Curtis of Joy Division, and yet you never hear people making fun of him or hating him in the same way Yoko is made fun of…could it be because he is a white man?

I find your argument just as disingenuous as @sir walter raleigh’s argument that her statements are less credible than Paul’s because she can’t write a melody (musical ability and truthfulness have no connection).

I agree that the “new left” has gone overboard with censorship and correctness, but Yoko is still hated as a carry-over from a previous age. There have been positive critical reassessments of Yoko’s work, all you have to do is google Yoko Ono to find them.

People just continue to hate her has a mass mind, “herd” kind of emotional reaction.  

Expert Textpert said
As for Linda…

No one hated Jane Asher because she was British, respectable and culturally sophisticated.

I would guess Linda was seen as something of a vulgarian, being American, a rock photographer, and without musical training.

Add to that the jealousy factor.

But the hate was nowhere near what Yoko received and still does.  

I’ll take the last post about Linda and Jane first……..

I’m not sure support for Jane Asher was ever 100%…….that literally ‘no one hated her’……I recall there was always some jealousy based on whatever ‘Jealousy’  could be conjured up by the… jealous…… (You might remember  I delivered Jane and Paul’s daily papers in Wimpole St, practically part of the family 555! Followed their story closely anyway), but I agree she was more liked than Linda. You jump of course to the fact that Linda was American and somewhere you signed up to the Hollywood stereotype of the stuck-up British…..Easily done..Just as we in Britain thought all Americans were, rich, handsome and beautiful..The Beatles were shocked to find that wasn’t true.

Simply put American didn’t come in to it…..most people I spoke to thought Paul could have captured a stunner and Linda was a bit mousey.

There’s a Thai saying: king thong bai yok……It means a gold branch and a jade leaf ……It’s used when a married couple ‘go well’ together. Paul and Jane sort of did….Initially at least Paul and Linda sort of didn’t..

……But Linda only came in for the harsh criticism later when she looked so uncomfortable on stage. Should been understanding and sympathy for her, not contumely  and contempt I agree….That was nasty. But nothing to do with considerations she was a vulgar, (of the masses) American……the opposite, she wasn’t ostentatious and  we knew she had dosh…In any case she came in for much the same kickback from jealous Americans…So sorry your guess won’t wash! 

 I am in agreement here with you that neither Jane, nor Linda, nor Cynthia, nor Maureen, nor Pattie, nor Barbara, nor Olivia have come in for the criticism that Yoko has.

We draw different conclusions as to why that is……You’ll jump to an ‘ism’ or an ‘ist’ here…..or a hate……Which only a worn-out tactic to shut down debate.

I think much of the reason for it it boiled down to her and John forcing a minuscule talent into the greatest band the world has ever seen and demanding it receive equal respect. Using from the beginning and consistently over the intervening years the power of an ‘ist or an ‘ism’ to cower us.

Sorry that won’t wash with the great unwashed….We know a fake when we see one…..John didn’t….Magic Alex for example……Alan Klein …?

Your earlier thread…..

The fact that I ‘fancied’ Yoko has nothing to do with anything other than I’d have shagged her…..Pattie was the most ‘fanciable’…. Yoko was number two in my adolescent fantasies…….Always wondered what John was saying when he said, ‘nobody ever done me like she done me’ Reckon Yoko’ really had a hold on’ John.

Great for John. She went up a notch in my mind.

But I was being frivolous, honest but frivolous no way should you link ‘fancy’ to a concordant love of her discordance.

You typically use whoever the guy you refer to as being white as an argument for unequal treatment……’If you look for racism you’ll find it’…..Though you don’t prove that’s what at work in your, apples and oranges comparison. Just throw it out anyway……usually shuts down debate doesn’t it? Sorry won’t wash with me.        

You say my argument and others are ‘disingenuous.’…..which means insincere, not candid…..I’m 100% sincere and I think from the above you can see I’ve been pretty candid.

You appear to adore Yoko, feel strongly she’s been treated badly and her work unjustly dismissed…..And the only justification that there could possibly be for all this is an ‘ism’ or ‘ist’ of some other kind of unreasonable….hate….

Yoko’s a great gal, given life a go….Made the most of a life’s ticket thanks to her engineered relationship with a Beatle who she’d never heard of??? And then with another called John.

Credit to her for that……But please don’t expect me to enjoy her caterwauling……… And If I don’t, condemn me with an ‘ism/ist’, or suggest a lacking in sophistication (though might be right about the sophistication bit……The sophists were the first teachers and a hated and mistrusted group anyway)

Cheers M8