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8.18am
7 November 2022
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vonbontee said
Or conversely, *they* were the ones behind the money machine, exclusively?
You mean the Fab Four? I don’t find that plausible.
Now today I find, you have changed your mind
8.43pm
14 December 2009
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Well ok, see you’re defining “money machine” as the mechanism behind which all the tons of money that flows from the General Public makes its way to the Beatles themselves, and to all of their managerial and financial support structure.
And me, I’m thinking of The Beatles as the money machine in the sense that their efforts actually produced these huge tons of money, for which all their surrounding people got to deal with her process or whatever. Like, it’s in the nature of the word and machine that some machines can actually literally produce or make or manufacture things, and other machines I just work with them work with it. Like when I go to an instant teller machine at the bank, it is not literally printing dollar bills in currency for me. So I can see how both our viewpoints are valud, I guess…
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1.37am
7 November 2022
Offline Sure @Von Bontee, I’m just saying such an arrangement (and money-making opportunity) tends to be exploited for more or less corrupt reasons. Regardless of how corrupt the machine was (hard to believe it was 100% innocent), it again seems difficult to believe they would have switched so dramatically from 60s touring to avant-garde recordings without a behind-the-scenes struggle. The Narrative seems to be: the managerial/promotional machine was as pure as the driven snow; they loved the Beatles; they let the Beatles do whatever they wanted to for the most part, even making that dramatic switch. Almost as though the one area of the 20th century where there was zero politics & corruption was The Beatles phenomenon and attendant machine.
It just doesn’t seem plausible to me.
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4.46am
30 August 2021
Offline Maybe your “money machine” just didn’t believe that the switch would be permanent. In hindsight, the Beatles’ career seems to fall neatly into two eras, the touring years and the studio years – the Red Album and the Blue Album – but at the time it would have been easy to assume that they would take a hiatus to recuperate, make their next album and then take the new songs on the road as usual.
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2.53pm
14 December 2009
Offline And I still maintain my position that the Beatles decided that they weren’t going to tour anymore, and that was the end of that. Period. And that there’s no way they could have been cajoled or persuaded or threatened into altering that decision, because who had any leverage over them? The explosive entry of The Beatles into the pop market revolutionized the idea of rock and roll touring and performing, to the point that when the Beatles own North American concert revenues had begun to dip slightly in 1966 from the explosive highs of 1964 and 65, it was just at this point when other bands were establishing a foothold for themselves as touring attractions, the Stones and the DC5 and others, and so there were many other options for the promoters who had previously relied on the Beatles to place their promotional abilities behind, since the Fabs were no longer an option.
Sea Belt said
Ahhh Girl said
When you think your mate was shot on stage in Memphis, it shakes your nerves and rattles your brain.
That would give me the resolve to say “No More! Can’t make me! Un-uh! Goodnight Vienna!”
As Joe Biden would say: “Two words — Altamont”
And I have no idea what the relevance or context of this remark of yours was supposed to mean
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