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1.58pm
1 November 2013
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That would mean I wouldn’t be a fan of Poets of the Fall since I didn’t buy any CDs or go see them live.
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17 December 2012
Offline Well, there we have it, it seems not only isn’t @Starr Shine? a fan of Poets of the Fall, she hates them.
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5.47pm
5 November 2011
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Expert Textpert said
Little Piggy Dragonguy said
But I’m talking about the people who were fans as babies and beyond, but who was too young to remember liking them before the breakup.
I’ll give you a very similar scenario. My sister is four (almost five) years old and she is a big fan of the Jonas Brothers. The Jonas Brothers disbanded when she was about a year and a half, so she has no memories of being a fan when they were together. Even though she has no memories of being a fan, that does not mean that she was not a fan. When their music was played she was get really excited and would smile and dance in a way that she did not do for other music. There is no doubt in my mind that she was a fan then and continues to be a fan. So even though she does not remember the Jonas Brothers in the time they were a band, I still consider her a first gen fan because she was a fan when they were together.
And how about this: what if somebody who was born in about 1950 was a huge Beatles fan during the time they were together. That person was old enough to really have the full experience of being a teenaged Beatles fan in the sixties. This person lived practically their whole life as a huge fan of The Beatles, until recently. Now this person has dementia and does not remember The Beatles as they were in the sixties. Is this person no longer a first generation fan either since they have no memories of liking The Beatles while they were a band?
When I hear a song I like on the radio I might tap my feet and ask, “Hey, who sings that?” I may or may not get an answer, but most likely I will forget who it was.
In the same way, a baby may smile and dance when a particular song comes on, but the baby doesn’t know what it is.
In order to be a fan, you need to 1. Identify what you are listening to. 2. Purchase the music or see a concert. 3. Say, “I am a fan of this band.”
It’s the same with old people. They may have been fans at one time, but if they don’t know who The Beatles are, who you are, or who they themselves are anymore, then they are no different than the smiling baby.
A fan is literally just an admirer or enthusiast of something. Your list for being a fan also does not hold up as a you can be a fan of anything in the world. The other problems are that
1. not everybody has money to spend on music or concerts
2. you can buy music or go to a concert of a band you are not a fan of
3, Stating “I am a fan of x” does not necessarily mean you are a fan. Words mean nothing.
What matters is what’s in your heart, and as far as I am aware, babies have both hearts and opinions, making them capable of being a fan of anything.
Also, if a person was a fan during the sixties and then grew to have dementia and forgot about The Beatles, they would still be first generation fans, would they not? Even if somebody was a fan in the sixties and later lost their love for the band, they would be a first generation fan too. That just means they were a fan while The Beatles were together. It has nothing to do with the present.
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4.14pm
18 April 2013
Offline Babies and old people with dementia can’t communicate. What if there was a baby who was always quiet when The Beatles were on, but he cried when his mama took them off the turntable? You might say that this baby was a fan. However, it might be possible that his quietness while The Beatles were playing was due to his absolute terror at being subjected to hearing them, and his cries when they were taken off were an angry protestation against his mother.
Also, an old person with dementia, if she can still say anything at all, might say she is a fan of The Beatles because she knew a fan of The Beatles in her youth and she is confusing herself with her friend.
So, we don’t know whether babies or old people are fans or not.
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6.02pm
18 May 2016
Offline What about in this scenario:
There’s a mother born in 1938 and her son born in 1960, the son remembers his mother really loving The Beatles and even brought him to one of their concerts. Sadly, due to dementia, the mother can’t remember it.
The mother would most certainly be a 1st gen fan, as she experienced it firsthand. I can understand your argument that you have to be old enough to remember it, but saying that if someone’s not a Beatles fan because they’ve got dementia is the equivalent of saying someone isn’t a fan because their dead, which is in turn like saying that Dimebag Darrell isn’t a fan of KISS although he got berried in a KISS coffin.
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Little Piggy Dragonguy6.18pm
5 November 2011
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Babies and old people with dementia can’t communicate. What if there was a baby who was always quiet when The Beatles were on, but he cried when his mama took them off the turntable? You might say that this baby was a fan. However, it might be possible that his quietness while The Beatles were playing was due to his absolute terror at being subjected to hearing them, and his cries when they were taken off were an angry protestation against his mother.Also, an old person with dementia, if she can still say anything at all, might say she is a fan of The Beatles because she knew a fan of The Beatles in her youth and she is confusing herself with her friend.
So, we don’t know whether babies or old people are fans or not.
Just because a being is nonverbal does not mean they cannot communicate. That is like somebody telling me that I cannot communicate with my dogs because we speak different languages. My dogs understand many of the things I say to them in both English and Spanish, and I understand this by how they respond to what I say to them. Likewise, I understand many of the things my dogs say to me in their language, and I know this by how they respond to my response of their requests and demands.
Maybe you have never been close with a baby or somebody with dementia, but I have been very close with both a baby and a person with dementia and I can honestly say that both of them were capable of communicating with me and communicating what they liked. When my sister was a baby there was a YouTube video (very good video 17/10 would recommend that you watch the whole video) that she would very contently watch in its entirety, and if asked if she wanted to watch the hot dog song, she would respond with a smile when the answer was “yes”. My great-grandma was a huge fan of Andrea Bocelli, and after getting dementia she had a live concert video of his that she watched on repeat for days until my grandpa took it away from her. There is no doubt that my sister was a fan of the hot dog song or that my great-grandma was a fan of Andrea Bocelli.
It is true that a confused person with dementia may very well say they like something only because somebody else has said that, but the same can be said of a baby, or any other living being on this planet. That is why I said before that verbalisms are useless in most situations. What matters most is how one responds and acts, and I find that babies and people with dementia are two of the most honest groups of people.
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6.20pm
5 November 2011
Offline sgtpepper63 said
…saying that if someone’s not a Beatles fan because they’ve got dementia is the equivalent of saying someone isn’t a fan because their dead, which is in turn like saying that Dimebag Darrell isn’t a fan of KISS although he got berried in a KISS coffin.
I agree for the most part, but the KISS coffin could have been on sale. I bet it was a lot cheaper than having the last supper carved into the coffin. Maybe they were just being economical.
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6.27pm
18 May 2016
Offline Little Piggy Dragonguy said
I agree for the most part, but the KISS coffin could have been on sale. I bet it was a lot cheaper than having the last supper carved into the coffin. Maybe they were just being economical.
No, Dimebag was a big fan of KISS and Gene Simmons gave him the coffin, presumably for that reason.
6.19pm
18 May 2016
Offline I know you guys don’t like the idea of 1.5 gen fans, but what do you think about having different types of 1st and 2nd gen fans.
6.24pm
5 November 2011
Offline sgtpepper63 said
I know you guys don’t like the idea of 1.5 gen fans, but what do you think about having different types of 1st and 2nd gen fans.
I like this. So one type of first generation fan could be a person who was a fan during the sixties while another type could be a person who is the first in their line of ancestry to be a fan.
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6.41pm
18 May 2016
Offline I was thinking more like one type for someone who experienced them as an adult (18+), another for one who experienced them as a teenager (10-18), another for one who experienced it as a child (2-10), and another for one who experienced it as a baby (0-2).
6.55pm
23 July 2016
Offline sgtpepper63 said
I was thinking more like one type for someone who experienced them as an adult (18+), another for one who experienced them as a teenager (10-18), another for one who experienced it as a child (2-10), and another for one who experienced it as a baby (0-2).
Great idea, although what would we call it, as not a lot of people liked the 1.5 gen idea.
Maybe you should try posting more.
7.33pm
23 July 2016
Offline Here’s an idea for the labels:
So as we all know, adults are 18 and older (although it could be argued that you’re not truly an adult unless if you’re legally allowed to drink), teenagers are 13 to 18, preteens (which can be combined with teens) are 10 to 12, children are 4 to 10, and babies are 0 to 3, so we can tweak this a bit to make labels, using 1968 as our base line and using some tweaking to make it fit more nicely:
Beatle Adults (_-1947)
Beatle Teens (1948-1957)
Beatle Children (1958-1964)
Beatle Babies (1965-1968)
Post Beatle (1969-_)
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9.04pm
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17 December 2012
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9.11pm
1 November 2013
Offline Where would 1.5 fall on the line?
9.23pm
23 July 2016
Offline I’m glad you asked, 1.5 would mean you were too young to fully experience it, like a teenager or adult at the time, but still enjoyed their music, so you could call someone like this guy a 1.5th gen fan.
So around 1958-1964 (Beatles Children) could be 1.5A while 1965-1968 (Beatle Babies) could be 1.5B.
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9.25pm
1 November 2013
Offline The thread is about drawing a line between one and two. Would 1.5 be on the line?
9.30pm
23 July 2016
Offline It’s right in the middle of one and two, so yes.
Maybe you should try posting more.
10.14pm
11 January 2017
Offline This is a great idea. For me, I was born in 1960 and definitely consider myself a 1st gen fan. I’d say if they’re old enough to remember The Ed Sullivan Show, so considering most people can’t remember things that happened before 3 or 4, lets go towards the tip and say 3, you could say that anyone born after 1961 is a 2nd gen fan. If you were born after 1961, you’d be too young to fully comprehend the band at the time, so to those people they’d be like a 60’s version of The Wiggles.
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5.23pm
23 July 2016
Offline That’s a great start, although I personally don’t think you have to be a fan from day 1 to be 1st gen, although I must say that you do drive home some good points.
Maybe you should try posting more.
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