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3.07pm
23 July 2016
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William Shears Campbell said
We can use @Pineapple Records’s rule to determine first gen people, but also consider people born before 1945 as fist gen. Then if you were born of first gen parents(or parents that were born in that time period regardless weather or not they liked the Beatles), you’re a second gen fan. If you were born of second gen parents(again regardless weather or not they they like the Beatles), then you’re a third gen fan. And etc.
I think there needs to be a 1.5 gen somewhere in there for people born from the late 50’s-mid 60’s that are old enough to remember and to have enjoyed The Beatles back in the 60’s, but too young to have really cared about them, so maybe something like this:
_-1944: 0st gen
1945-1957: 1st gen
1958-1964: 1.5th gen
Child of parent born _-1957 and born from 1965-_: 2nd gen
Child of parent born 1958-1964: 2.5th gen
Grandchild of parent born _-1957: 3rd gen
Grandchild of parent born 1958-1964: 3.5th gen
Great grandchild of parent born _-1957: 4th gen
Great grandchild of parent born 1958-1964: 4.5th gen
Great great grandchild of parent born _-1957: 5th gen
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5.05pm
14 June 2016
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This is getting a little too technical. I don’t know if you can be a fraction of a generation. That might be pushing it a bit much.
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5.37pm
5 November 2011
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HMBeatlesfan said
I think there needs to be a 1.5 gen somewhere in there for people born from the late 50’s-mid 60’s that are old enough to remember and to have enjoyed The Beatles back in the 60’s, but too young to have really cared about them, so maybe something like this:
_-1944: 0st gen
1958-1964: 1.5th gen
Child of parent born 1958-1964: 2.5th gen
Grandchild of parent born 1958-1964: 3.5th gen
Great grandchild of parent born 1958-1964: 4.5th gen
All of these half generations are redundant. If you’re of the 1.5 generation you are still first generation. It’s like how I don’t tell people I’m nineteen and three fourths. I just say I’m nineteen.
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6.25pm
23 July 2016
Offline I think the 1.5 is great, as it gives me a spot to put someone who was born in say 1962. He would’ve been too young to experience it fully like some born in say 1952, but he would’ve experienced it in a different way. Instead of getting his Beatles fix by screaming at their concerts, running to the record store the day their new album comes out, and buying every one of their records and singles, he’d be at the TV every Saturday morning to watch their TV show, listen to it when his mother puts it on the radio, and going to see Yellow Submarine . He’d be too young to be a 1st gen fan, but he liked them back in the day, so it’d be wrong to call him a 2nd gen fan, so 1.5th gen is perfect.
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6.45pm
5 November 2011
Offline But somebody in the 1.5 generation is still first generation
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7.31pm
23 July 2016
Offline But that’s what’s so great about it, as it gives us a subcategory for 1st gen fans who experienced it as a child rather than as a teenager or an adult.
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7.47pm
14 February 2016
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Or more confusion to the already confusing system.
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8.20pm
23 July 2016
Offline Let’s run this to the polls, shall we:
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8.55pm
1 November 2013
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No. My definition is now who ever posted in this thread is now a second gen fan, everyone else is first gen.
9.04pm
5 November 2011
Offline Wait , why can’t someone born in 1969 be a first generation fan? A baby can be a fan of an artist. Maybe they won’t remember having been a fan as a baby once they grow, but that doesn’t make them any less of a fan.
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10.25am
23 July 2016
Offline Starr Shine? said
No. My definition is now who ever posted in this thread is now a second gen fan, everyone else is first gen.
Calm your horses there. I’ve heard some interesting comments here, but it seems like you’ve given up on this thread although we’ve had some great conversations here. I think that if The Beatles can work it out, we can too.
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10.28am
23 July 2016
Offline Little Piggy Dragonguy said
Wait , why can’t someone born in 1969 be a first generation fan? A baby can be a fan of an artist. Maybe they won’t remember having been a fan as a baby once they grow, but that doesn’t make them any less of a fan.
We can consider anyone born before or during 1970 a 1st gen fan, although I think the 1.5 gen would fit better in cases like this. For example, I was born in 1967 and although I liked The Beatles back in the day, I don’t consider myself a 1st gen fan, but I think if we use the 1.5 gen label for people like me, it would work better.
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10.38am
18 April 2013
Offline I was born during 1970, but by the time I was born The Beatles had already broken up. In fact they were already broken up before the announcement, which came rather early in the year. You can’t be a first gen fan if you were born after they broke up. You also can’t be a first gen fan if you were too young to remember The Beatles or even know what being a fan meant.
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10.49am
5 November 2011
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You also can’t be a first gen fan if you were too young to remember The Beatles or even know what being a fan meant.
This doesn’t make any sense to me. I was a big fan of The Teletubbies as a baby, and although I don’t remember watching them as a baby, I still have memories of loving them as a very small child. I may have not known the definition of “fan”, but that didn’t make me any less of a fan of the show.
I say you can totally be a first gen fan without having memories of being a fan of them when they were together. Saying that you can’t is like saying that if you don’t remember something it never happened.
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11.14am
18 April 2013
Offline If you have memories of loving the Teletubbies, and in fact you do–then you are a fan.
If you did not have memories of the Teletubbies, you would not be a fan. Same with The Beatles. You can’t be a fan just because your mother told you that you wiggled in your diaper every time Please Please Me came on the radio.
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11.28am
23 July 2016
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I was born during 1970, but by the time I was born The Beatles had already broken up. In fact they were already broken up before the announcement, which came rather early in the year. You can’t be a first gen fan if you were born after they broke up. You also can’t be a first gen fan if you were too young to remember The Beatles or even know what being a fan meant.
Agree, although I don’t think you realize how much stuff they did in 1970. Here’s a list:
Recordings: 5
Let It Be (Paul’s bass, Brass, Woodwind, Cello, Additional piano, Additional drums, George and Linda’s backing vocals, Maracas, and who can forget one of George’s finest solos on his Les Paul (a good one to go out on if you ask me, although I prefer Something ))
For You Blue (unspecified vocals)
Across The Universe (orchestra, drums)
The Long And Winding Road (orchestra, drums)
Releases: 6
Singles: 2
Albums: 2
Movies: 1
And it’s safe to assume that Let It Be stayed in the theatres from May until around August or September
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11.29am
5 November 2011
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If you did not have memories of the Teletubbies, you would not be a fan. Same with The Beatles. You can’t be a fan just because your mother told you that you wiggled in your diaper every time Please Please Me came on the radio.
But I’m talking about the people who were fans as babies and beyond, but who was too young to remember liking them before the breakup.
I’ll give you a very similar scenario. My sister is four (almost five) years old and she is a big fan of the Jonas Brothers. The Jonas Brothers disbanded when she was about a year and a half, so she has no memories of being a fan when they were together. Even though she has no memories of being a fan, that does not mean that she was not a fan. When their music was played she was get really excited and would smile and dance in a way that she did not do for other music. There is no doubt in my mind that she was a fan then and continues to be a fan. So even though she does not remember the Jonas Brothers in the time they were a band, I still consider her a first gen fan because she was a fan when they were together.
And how about this: what if somebody who was born in about 1950 was a huge Beatles fan during the time they were together. That person was old enough to really have the full experience of being a teenaged Beatles fan in the sixties. This person lived practically their whole life as a huge fan of The Beatles, until recently. Now this person has dementia and does not remember The Beatles as they were in the sixties. Is this person no longer a first generation fan either since they have no memories of liking The Beatles while they were a band?
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11.51am
23 July 2016
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Why don’t you use my 1.5th generation idea for people who were too young at the time to fully experience The Beatles, but enjoyed their music back in the day. I think we can even do tiers, like this:
1st gen:
Fully experienced it as a preteen (est. 10-12), teenager (est. 13-17), or adult (est. 18-30), born no later than about 1957
1.5th gen A:
Too young to fully experience it, but old enough to experience it as a child (est. 4-10), born around 1958-1964
1.5th gen B:
Too young to remember it, but liked them as a baby (est. 0-3), born around 1965-1970
2nd gen:
Didn’t like it until after their breakup
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1.20pm
18 April 2013
Offline Little Piggy Dragonguy said
But I’m talking about the people who were fans as babies and beyond, but who was too young to remember liking them before the breakup.
I’ll give you a very similar scenario. My sister is four (almost five) years old and she is a big fan of the Jonas Brothers. The Jonas Brothers disbanded when she was about a year and a half, so she has no memories of being a fan when they were together. Even though she has no memories of being a fan, that does not mean that she was not a fan. When their music was played she was get really excited and would smile and dance in a way that she did not do for other music. There is no doubt in my mind that she was a fan then and continues to be a fan. So even though she does not remember the Jonas Brothers in the time they were a band, I still consider her a first gen fan because she was a fan when they were together.
And how about this: what if somebody who was born in about 1950 was a huge Beatles fan during the time they were together. That person was old enough to really have the full experience of being a teenaged Beatles fan in the sixties. This person lived practically their whole life as a huge fan of The Beatles, until recently. Now this person has dementia and does not remember The Beatles as they were in the sixties. Is this person no longer a first generation fan either since they have no memories of liking The Beatles while they were a band?
When I hear a song I like on the radio I might tap my feet and ask, “Hey, who sings that?” I may or may not get an answer, but most likely I will forget who it was.
In the same way, a baby may smile and dance when a particular song comes on, but the baby doesn’t know what it is.
In order to be a fan, you need to 1. Identify what you are listening to. 2. Purchase the music or see a concert. 3. Say, “I am a fan of this band.”
It’s the same with old people. They may have been fans at one time, but if they don’t know who The Beatles are, who you are, or who they themselves are anymore, then they are no different than the smiling baby.
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1.33pm
18 May 2016
Offline Great idea about 1.5th gen fans, @HMBeatlesfan. As for @expert-texpert, I don’t like your #2. What if someone never bought a record, never went to a concert, and got all of their music experience from the radio, would they be a fan of any band, I say they should be but your rules make them a fan of absolutely nothing.
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