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My dad reminded me that 49 years ago, Paul announced the breakup…
Honestly I think it came not a moment too soon – it could have come a year earlier, it may have prevented relationships from going bad. What do we think? Did it come at the right time?
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I really like I Me Mine so I wouldn’t want to remove that from existence, but ideally for me (if it was inevitable that they broke up at some point) they would have done Let It Be in January, released it as an album soon thereafter, then gone back into the studio for Abbey Road , announcing the breakup after its release in September.
That way, there wouldn’t have been all the bitterness surrounding the drawn out Let It Be sessions, they could have left off on a relative high from the comparatively sunny Abbey Road sessions, had it truly be their last album, and kept their career as The Beatles within the decade they defined.
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I think that they made the right decision, breaking up while they still had some semblance of friendship, before they all hated each other. I think after ten years of being constantly together, they just needed a break to be themselves, try new things, and make new music.
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A day that is worth some rememberance…
Honestly speaking I often have mixed emotions about their breakup. It is certainly depressing, especially when you realize that they lasted no more than eight years (if count from Love Me Do ). Some bands from the same era, like the Stones, have remained on stage for half a century, while we never have the chance to see a formal reunion of all four Beatles. But thinking about their sensational success and the following pressure (I remember they thought they could last a few months at most), their intense timetable, also all of the subtle relationships and conflicts, breakup seems to be a reasonable choice.
I have this feeling that The Beatles were like a supernova explosion, shining too brightly in the 60s–but after that, the remains became too tense to handle the boys’ power. Sometimes it is sentimental to think about this, but other times, I just feel grateful to have them and their music.
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ScarlettFieldsForever said
[snip] when you realize that they lasted no more than eight years (if count from Love Me Do ). [snip]
They only lasted eight years as a recording band in the public eye, sure, but you must remember that from the boys’ perspective, they’d been together since they were teenagers. That’s a long, eventful time to be stuck so closely with the same people in a group.
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I’m very glad they didn’t end up like the Stones. We remember The Beatles as they were – four young, extremely talented and charismatic personalities in their musical prime. They never made a bad album, and that’s very important to me. As much as I’m happy for the Stones that they’re still going after all these years, I get the feeling our collective memory of them isn’t going to be so pure.
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18 December 2017
I think they broke up at the right time. It could’ve been earlier, probably, and that would’ve prevented some of the arguing. If they stayed together longer, they might have made some great music, but they made great solo music, which makes up for it.
QuarryMan said
I’m very glad they didn’t end up like the Stones. We remember The Beatles as they were – four young, extremely talented and charismatic personalities in their musical prime. They never made a bad album, and that’s very important to me. As much as I’m happy for the Stones that they’re still going after all these years, I get the feeling our collective memory of them isn’t going to be so pure.
I see your point, but I’m glad the Stones are still together, because I don’t think their solo music would be very good if they weren’t a band. They’ve had their bad moments, but i still really love their recent stuff. They’re not the Beatles and their not perfect, but they’re still a really great band.
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I guess The Beatles were just really lucky that John George and Paul were all such great songwriters, an advantage other bands didn’t have. I can’t think of any other band where every single member went on to have a hugely successful solo career after the band broke up.
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There are and will be lots of interviews with Paul, Ringo and others connected to the release of ‘LIB ‘ and the ‘GB’ documentary. One currently doing the rounds (tho the full interview is not released until the 23rd October) is Paul speaking to John Wilson on the BBC Radio programme, ‘This Cultural Life’ on the break-up where he says that John is the one who split the band up. A BBC article on this is here.
…in a new BBC interview, he has said the split was prompted by John Lennon .
“I didn’t instigate the split. That was our Johnny,” he told interviewer John Wilson. “I am not the person who instigated the split.
“Oh no, no, no. John walked into a room one day and said I am leaving the Beatles. And he said, ‘It’s quite thrilling, it’s rather like a divorce.’ And then we were left to pick up the pieces.”
Wilson asked whether the band would have continued if Lennon hadn’t walked away.
“It could have,” Sir Paul replied.
“The point of it really was that John was making a new life with Yoko and he wanted… to lie in bed for a week in Amsterdam for peace. You couldn’t argue with that. It was the most difficult period of my life.”
“This was my band, this was my job, this was my life,” he added. “I wanted it to continue. I thought we were doing some pretty good stuff – Abbey Road , Let It Be , not bad – and I thought we could continue.”
None of this is new to anyone who knows the full story and not rough details
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There are and will be lots of interviews with Paul, Ringo and others connected to the release of ‘LIB ‘ and the ‘GB’ documentary. One currently doing the rounds (tho the full interview is not released until the 23rd October) is Paul speaking to John Wilson on the BBC Radio programme, ‘This Cultural Life’ on the break-up where he says that John is the one who split the band up. A BBC article on this is here.…in a new BBC interview, he has said the split was prompted by John Lennon .
“I didn’t instigate the split. That was our Johnny,” he told interviewer John Wilson. “I am not the person who instigated the split.
“Oh no, no, no. John walked into a room one day and said I am leaving the Beatles. And he said, ‘It’s quite thrilling, it’s rather like a divorce.’ And then we were left to pick up the pieces.”
Wilson asked whether the band would have continued if Lennon hadn’t walked away.
“It could have,” Sir Paul replied.
“The point of it really was that John was making a new life with Yoko and he wanted… to lie in bed for a week in Amsterdam for peace. You couldn’t argue with that. It was the most difficult period of my life.”
“This was my band, this was my job, this was my life,” he added. “I wanted it to continue. I thought we were doing some pretty good stuff – Abbey Road , Let It Be , not bad – and I thought we could continue.”
None of this is new to anyone who knows the full story and not rough details
Yes, this is on the front page of the BBC news website – supposedly as an item of new news. Yet all of this has been known for many years, and it’s been repeated time and time again over the years, including:
How much research does the BBC do beforehand?
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It was featured on the One O’Clock News, where it was preceded by the comment that prompts the response, which is “You were the one who brought the lawyers in.”
The newsreaders lead-in script to the feature was laughable, along the lines of “For decades fans and scholars have believed Paul McCartney broke up The Beatles.”
Yeah, right! Fans and scholars are shocked and stunned by the revelation. Mark Lewisohn is sitting right now with his head in hands wondering how much this means he’ll have to change when he gets to Volume 3.
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It makes me wonder what major revelation is next since a week ago we had George was sacked and now this.
‘Sir Paul hates Beatles track ‘The Long And Winding Road .’
‘Ringo Sensationally Snubbed By Fellow Beatles On ‘Let It Be ’.
‘World Exclusive: John Lennon Snubbed Beatles Final Recording Sessions’
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Ron Nasty said
It was featured on the One O’Clock News, where it was preceded by the comment that prompts the response, which is “You were the one who brought the lawyers in.”The newsreaders lead-in script to the feature was laughable, along the lines of “For decades fans and scholars have believed Paul McCartney broke up The Beatles.”
Yeah, right! Fans and scholars are shocked and stunned by the revelation. Mark Lewisohn is sitting right now with his head in hands wondering how much this means he’ll have to change when he gets to Volume 3.
‘McCartney didn’t break up The Beatles’ was going to be Lewisohn’s Volume 3 exclusive.
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Now everyone will want to buy v. 3 to see if Lewishohn corroborates McCartney’s story with the research he finds.
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It makes me wonder what major revelation is next since a week ago we had George was sacked and now this.‘Sir Paul hates Beatles track ‘The Long And Winding Road .’
‘Ringo Sensationally Snubbed By Fellow Beatles On ‘Let It Be ’.
‘World Exclusive: John Lennon Snubbed Beatles Final Recording Sessions’
i’m howling laughing at this but its too accurate. For so long i’ve been making fun of those clickbait Beatles articles such as “The one Paul song that all the other Beatles HATED!!!”
Let me take a few guesses…
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The Beatles’ bitter break-up seen in new light in long-lost court documents from Paul McCartney ‘s legal action against the rest of the Fab Four https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne…..-Four.html
snippets from the article
‘The question is, where is the money?’
Newly-discovered court documents reveal that is what one confused lawyer said amidst the break-up of The Beatles.
The huge tranche of copied papers, which also include minutes of backroom wranglings between lawyers for each of the Fab Four, have come to light after spending nearly 50 lying unnoticed in a cupboard.
The documents reveal how, after yet another meeting had gone round in circles, one lawyer suggested: ‘Would it be easier if The Beatles just retired?’
Comments recorded in the minutes of meetings also included one lawyers remark that: ‘It would be almost impossible to exaggerate the actual complexity of the various legal arrangements which have been entered into by Messrs. Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, and Starkey [Ringo Starr ]’.
They continued: ‘Even if the four Beatles were not again to perform as a group, it is not accurate to state that the whole purpose of the partnership has disappeared’.
They then finished the note with the most important query of all: ‘The question is where is the money?’
The band’s break-up, which was officially sealed in December 1974, had been preceded by the unexpected death of their manager, Brian Epstein, in 1967.
His passing revealed the extent of the mismanagement of The Beatles’ affairs, with Epstein having made dubious business decisions.
The court documents show that million of pounds was unaccounted for. Unbeknown to the group, they were being pursued by HM Revenue and Customs for unpaid taxes.
The documents also demonstrate how the respective legal teams raised many questions about royalties, past and future tax liabilities and why, when original drummer Pete Best left in 1962, no written agreement was recorded or filed.
‘As I {Denise Kelly, head of Dawsons’ Entertainment and Popular Culture department – the auctioneers} read the minutes of meetings notes which included discussions between the legal teams and accountants, I wondered how on earth they were going to sort everything out, and at times I could sense panic in the room as more and more complexities came to light.’
She added: ‘It has crossed my mind that if I were a script writer, these documents would be all I’d need to tell the real story of what led to one of the best-selling bands in history splitting up and going their separate ways.
‘The characters, dialogue and time of events are all there and ready to reference.’
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The Break-Up of The Beatles: James Paul McCartney versus John Ono Lennon, George Harrison , Richard Starkey, and Apple Corps Limited, 1970-1971.
300+ pages of typescript copy documents, a bundle of unbound loose sheets, many with headed titles, 22x 33cm.
Compiled by the advisors and legal representatives at the time of the High Court case, the copy documents recorded events in the courtroom and the numerous factors attributed to the break-up of The Beatles during and following Paul McCartney ’s legal case in London High Court’s Chancery Division when McCartney sued his fellow group members and Apple Corp, and sought a declaration to dissolve The Beatles business partnership and remove Allen Klein as manager.
Paul McCartney disagreed very strongly with John, George, and Ringo over the appointment of Allen Klein as a replacement manager for The Beatles following Brian Epstein’s death in 1967, and due to Klein’s lack of financial management, McCartney had employed his own accountants who, with the legal representatives, had begun to uncover a trail of confusion and lack of accountability on the part of the group’s management to date.
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Copies of Minutes of Meetings, which recorded the difficulties faced by the lawyers who represented both parties as they unravelled the complex affairs of The Beatles and detailed many questions the legal teams raised during numerous meetings such as, when Pete Best left the group and Ringo Starr joined, why was a written agreement not recorded or filed?, what steps could be made to entangle The Beatles Limited and the individual group member’s past and future tax liabilities, and their royalties for film and music rights?, how to approach Ringo Starr ’s disagreements pertaining to ‘The White Album ’?, how were they going to manage the growing tensions and disputes between The Beatles over film rights and clips used for ‘Hey Jude ’, ‘Revolution ’, ‘Magical Mystery Tour ’?, Paul McCartney ’s dispute related to the film and record release of ‘Let It Be ’?, and most worrying of all to the lawyers at the time, ‘the chronic failure of Allen Klein and his company ABKCO Music and Records Inc. to produce accounts going back to 1966, now being demanded by the Inland Revenue’.
Behind-the-scenes comments recorded in the minutes of meetings included, ‘It would be almost impossible to exaggerate the actual complexity of the various legal arrangements which have been entered into by Messrs. Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, and Starkey’ . . . ‘Even if the four Beatles were not again to perform as a group, it is not accurate to state that the whole purpose of the partnership has disappeared’ . . . ‘The question is where is the money?’ . . .
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I will always think the true last Beatles song was The End , despite Her Majesty coming after, despite Now And Then , despite Let It Be .
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