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8 November 2012
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thisbirdhasflown said
Yes, I see your point. They did lack some character. And you can’t call “strength” abusive behavior. It’s just that they weren’t the only weak ones. There were several other weak members and Yoko fixed it. Even when you’re addicted, you can still be strong with strong people, and Yoko was strong.
But part of my point is that I don’t see Cynthia or May as weak. I think given what was thrown into their laps, they are incredibly strong women. You can’t throw a hurricane at someone and then blame them when they barely keep their heads above water.
Also, I don’t think we know enough or John lived long enough to determine that anything about him was “fixed.” Addiction is a lifetime struggle. And there are conflicting reports of how late in the 70s John might have cleaned up, and there are rumors that Yoko herself was addicted and that she may have even worsened his addiction. For all we know, Yoko may have less to do with his cleaning up than the fact that Sean came into his life.
I just think we need to question the conventional narrative. Cynthia and May and other people who’ve survived abuse deserve better.
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8 November 2012
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She said this at the beginning of their trip to LA, before he did anything.
She was their assistant and had some idea of what he was like before the trip to LA, so it’s natural she’d have some misgivings. That’s not the same as saying she was weak, though.
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Offline thisbirdhasflown said
Yes, I see your point. They did lack some character. And you can’t call “strength” abusive behavior. It’s just that they weren’t the only weak ones. There were several other weak members and Yoko fixed it. Even when you’re addicted, you can still be strong with strong people, and Yoko was strong.
But part of my point is that I don’t see Cynthia or May as weak. I think for what was thrown into their laps, they are incredibly strong women. You can’t throw a hurricane at someone and then blame them when they barely keep their heads above water. Also, I don’t think we know enough or John lived long enough to determine that anything about him was “fixed.” Addiction is a lifetime struggle. And there are conflicting reports of how late in the 70s John might have cleaned up, and there are rumors that Yoko herself was addicted and that she may have even worsened his addiction. For all we know, Yoko may have less to do with his cleaning up than the fact than Sean coming into his life. I just think we need to question the conventional narrative. Cynthia and May and other people who’ve survived abuse deserve better. parlance
@parlance I think, yes, they were very strong for what happened. It just wasn’t enough. And yes, the truth about his addiction will be unsolved because we don’t know how it ended.
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It was forty years ago today
when John Lennon put his pen in play
signing documents that legally say
The Beatles officially end today
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It was forty years ago todaywhen John Lennon put his pen in play
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The Beatles officially end today
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18 December 2012
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thisbirdhasflown said
Yes, I see your point. They did lack some character. And you can’t call “strength” abusive behavior. It’s just that they weren’t the only weak ones. There were several other weak members and Yoko fixed it. Even when you’re addicted, you can still be strong with strong people, and Yoko was strong.
But part of my point is that I don’t see Cynthia or May as weak. I think given what was thrown into their laps, they are incredibly strong women. You can’t throw a hurricane at someone and then blame them when they barely keep their heads above water.
Also, I don’t think we know enough or John lived long enough to determine that anything about him was “fixed.” Addiction is a lifetime struggle. And there are conflicting reports of how late in the 70s John might have cleaned up, and there are rumors that Yoko herself was addicted and that she may have even worsened his addiction. For all we know, Yoko may have less to do with his cleaning up than the fact that Sean came into his life.
I just think we need to question the conventional narrative. Cynthia and May and other people who’ve survived abuse deserve better.
parlance
Having a brother with an addiction problem has shown me that there really is nothing you can do for someone like that if they aren’t willing to help themselves. How Cynthia managed to put up with John for as long as she did AND have a child AND go through Beatlemania, I will never know.
Maybe this is naive, but the way I see it, Yoko helped John escape his problems while Cynthia and May gave him the kind of support he needed to actually deal with his problems and grow up – they showed him it was ok to be vulnerable and helped him to embrace his most sensitive loving side. That’s extremely important.
Does anyone have quotes about John’s addiction problems in the later 70’s? I hear about it a lot, but where is this information coming from?
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Offline Too lazy to write it out in my own words. From Wogblog
Today’s Daily Mail has the story and photos of a 19 year old fan who turned up uninvited on John’s doorstep in 1968 and was invited in for breakfast with John and Yoko. The fan, Michael Herring, later shared a car ride with John to George Harrison ’s house to see the Beatles recording – and he witnessed the opening of a letter said to announce McCartney’s resignation.
Call me sceptical but i dont see George and John sitting down in George’s home with a stranger they’d just met and commenting about Paul leaving in front of him.
For someone with more authority Mark Lewisohn is quoted in the Daily Mail article.
Last night, Mark Lewisohn, a leading authority on the Beatles, said Mr Herring’s photographs were ‘fantastic because they capture a moment in history’.
But he cast doubt on the revelations about Paul’s resignation letter, saying: ‘There’s no way that can be accurate because the Eastmans had no part in Paul’s life until his relationship with Linda began in October 1968, and there was no way Paul was quitting at this point. They had a number of sessions at George’s house and Paul was certainly at most of them – maybe not this one – because we have the recordings.’
But he added: ‘This does not undermine the general story, which I do believe.
Hunter Davies is included too but his section is too long to add here.
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29 August 2013
Offline Oddly, the more I listen to the solo albums again (after having had them before on release) the more I am comfortable with the timing of the breakup. The 70s really had some great efforts from all four and it’s unlikely they would have gone much past that as a group.
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17 December 2012
Offline It was 46 years ago today that Paul’s interview with himself to publicise the McCartney album went public. Part of the his self-interview read:
Q: Are you planning a new album or single with the Beatles?
A: No.Q: Is this album a rest away from the Beatles or the start of a solo career?
A: Time will tell. Being a solo album means it’s “the start of a solo career…” and not being done with the Beatles means it’s just a rest. So it’s both.Q: Is your break with the Beatles temporary or permanent, due to personal differences or musical ones?
A: Personal differences, business differences, musical differences, but most of all because I have a better time with my family. Temporary or permanent? I don’t really know.Q: Do you foresee a time when Lennon-McCartney becomes an active songwriting partnership again?
A: No.
The Beatles split was now seen as being confirmed, whether Paul intended it, and much to John’s annoyance.
I came across this fascinating footage on YT that claims to be a CBS Special Report on the split, but appears more like the raw footage for the CBS report. It starts, after some scene setting shots outside Apple, with fans being interviewed outside (in which Linda is blamed quite nastily for the split), followed by a long interview with Derek Taylor, then a reporter speaking to camera, followed by Mal and others surrounding Ringo as he leaves the offices (during which Ringo gives his hat to a fan!). It is well worth watching.
If a mod can think of a better thread for this, feel free to move. I couldn’t find one.
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Offline The women are always blamed. It might have complicated things more, but ultimately, it was a variety of issues, and the cracks started appearing when Brian died.
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I think even before that when the Beatles became tired of the constant fame.
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Offline It’s interesting how the other Beatles reacted after the split. Neither of them seemed to “support” what Paul was saying, and in their immediate statements were pretty against it. I don’t really know whether John meant it when he said “I want a divorce”. He might have meant it then, but he probably saw that he could do his own thing, they all could, while still being The Beatles. I get that feeling after reading Doggett’s book. Even George said something like it’s pretty selfish of them to split up when they have a lot to give.
It’s funny how John called Paul the PR man coz I feel he is the most lousy PR man I’ve ever seen.
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IT WAS YOKO.
Twasn’t.
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Offline LoveUlikeGuitars said
It’s funny how John called Paul the PR man coz I feel he is the most lousy PR man I’ve ever seen.
It’s probably more a statement about the other Beatles.
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6 April 2016
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IT WAS PAUL
<that is the face of evil.
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Expert Textpert said
IT WAS PAUL
<that is the face of evil.
I think she’s kinda cute.
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