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10 August 2012
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vonbontee said
In retrospect, it’s too bad George never asked Paul to work on any of George’s solo work – he could’ve gotten sweet revenge by bossing Paul around and getting him to play exactly what GEORGE wanted him to play!

…or not to play. Whatever it is that would please George.ahdn_george_06

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Ben Ramon said

I thought this was very funny, particularly the little introductory theme Paul composes for himself at 0:08, very accurate parody of his voice and style.

Funny! I discovered this one by the same person, and I found myself cracking up watching it.

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There’s also one where Paul makes tea. I’ll post it if I get a chance. a-hard-days-night-george-10

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Zig said

vonbontee said
In retrospect, it’s too bad George never asked Paul to work on any of George’s solo work – he could’ve gotten sweet revenge by bossing Paul around and getting him to play exactly what GEORGE wanted him to play!

…or not to play. Whatever it is that would please George.ahdn_george_06

The problem with that theory (well played, Zig, well played) is that Paul would have smashed his bass over George’s head before being told what to play.

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OT

 

Ohh I just love mr. StevieRiks , he’s got a load of Beatles parodies on his youtube account. Personally, I think his Lennon impersonations are best. There is a a one in which John calls to Elvis and they have a nice little “chat”- it’s absolutely hilarious. And I can’t believe how close that man’s voice is to John when he puts effort into it

I’m afraid he has something against Brian and Yoko, though 

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OT

 

Ohh I just love mr. StevieRiks , he’s got a load of Beatles parodies on his youtube account. Personally, I think his Lennon impersonations are best. There is a a one in which John calls to Elvis and they have a nice little “chat”- it’s absolutely hilarious. And I can’t believe how close that man’s voice is to John when he puts effort into it

I’m afraid he has something against Brian and Yoko, though 

His Brian Wilson/Paul McCartney phone conversation is also hilarious.

Anyway, to stay on topic, I was surprised to learn about Paul and George being best of friends in the beginning. All opinions that George passed on Paul for a long time seemed to have a certain degree of rankling in them, although I think he made a very astute comment on Paul’s 1970 album that it suffered because “he’s got nobody to tell him a song’s good apart from Linda.”

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George simply didnt want to have to put up with Pauls overbearing presence in anything musical – the whole ‘i’d rather play with Willie Weeks” thing. There is some degree of doubt whether or not George asked Paul to be at the Bangladesh concert from what i can remember (tho someone might be able to provide something concrete).

 

All that materialised thru the Beatle years tho, in the beginning they were very good friends, Paul getting George to audition on top of the bus late one night for a place in The Quarrymen. The 3 of them, John, Paul and George were very close, there is a reason why every other member thru the early years disappeared (the only other one who remained was Stu who had a very strong relationship with John but he found Astrid and left). All 3 got each other and were able to withstand all the crap that they threw out out and that came their way before fame; the disappointments, heartaches, fights, arguements, rejections. All of that formed something that even when they went their separate ways never completely died.

One of the telling comments about the relationship between them all was from John in the Rolling Stone interviews. He threw out all kinds of crap towards the band itself and Paul , everyone knows that, but when asked about Mick Jaggers negative comments about the Beatles John was very very defensive asking who did Mick think he was having a go.

 

To me it is like a family who all grew up and moved on – you’re might not see each other for years, heck you might not get on that well and can barely be in the same room, but when it comes down to it all the crap goes out the window. Two examples would be recording All Those Years Ago (Paul, Linda and Denny going to Friar Park studios at George’s request) and George in hospital and Paul sitting with him.

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MMM, what was the context (the what and the when) of that “Willie Weeks” comment? I’d seen it quoted before but never found out the occasion.

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George simply didnt want to have to put up with Pauls overbearing presence in anything musical – the whole ‘i’d rather play with Willie Weeks” thing. There is some degree of doubt whether or not George asked Paul to be at the Bangladesh concert from what i can remember (tho someone might be able to provide something concrete).

Paul was asked to perform at the CFB (goodness, that came out meaning something other then Concert For Bangladesh to me) but he declined due to the legal issues and general hard feelings that existed at the time. False public hope of a reunion, as well.

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vonbontee said
MMM, what was the context (the what and the when) of that “Willie Weeks” comment? I’d seen it quoted before but never found out the occasion.

I found the quote below from a google search

“It’s all a fantasy putting The Beatles back together again. If we ever do that it’s because everyone is broke. I’d rather have Willie Weeks on bass rather than Paul McCartney . Paul is a fine bass player but he’s a bit overpowering. I’d join a band with John Lennon any day, but I couldn’t join a band with Paul McCartney .”

but there was also a reproduced newpaper article reporting with more information from the press conference he gave with a longer slighty different quote (the link box isnt appearing properly on my computer so its -> http://news.google.com/newspap…..94,3635640)

 

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meanmistermustard said

George simply didnt want to have to put up with Pauls overbearing presence in anything musical – the whole ‘i’d rather play with Willie Weeks” thing. There is some degree of doubt whether or not George asked Paul to be at the Bangladesh concert from what i can remember (tho someone might be able to provide something concrete).

Paul was asked to perform at the CFB (goodness, that came out meaning something other then Concert For Bangladesh to me) but he declined due to the legal issues and general hard feelings that existed at the time. False public hope of a reunion, as well.

Thanks SunKing, do you have a source for that? I’ve heard and read both sides of whether or not Paul was asked but never seen anything definitive.

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Mean M, not onhand (I’m currently in a hotel) but if I remember Monday I’ll get sources.

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Thanks SK, have never come across anything more than speculation – that i can remember.

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I think John and Geroge got on the worst overall.

 

One thing that struck me was I was reading about how Paul and Ringo talked about how George liked to cuddle but John never mentioned anything about that.

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meanmistermustard said
I remember reading that in the early days George would make John or Paul share a room with Ringo so that they became closer and Ringo felt more of a part of it all which is sweet 

  

I heard somewhere that George wanted John or Paul to share a room with Ringo so that things wouldn’t degenerate into John and Paul vs. George and Ringo.  You know, the front men in one group and the side men in the other.  John and Paul were powerful enough as it was since they were the writing team.  George thought it was smarter to split them up, just a bit.  

I don’t remember exactly where I heard that, so I can’t give a source, sorry.  I’m pretty sure it was audio from an old interview with George that was being played on a Beatles podcast.  

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I think John and Geroge got on the worst overall.

One thing that struck me was I was reading about how Paul and Ringo talked about how George liked to cuddle but John never mentioned anything about that.

George and Paul, in my opinion.

While George and John’s relationship was strained at the time of John’s death, what cannot be escaped is that during the decade when we had four ex-Beatles, the only two not to work together were George and Paul.

After the final Beatles session in January 1970, George and Paul only worked together again twice, when Paul contributed backing vocals to George’s John tribute, All Those Years Ago, and on the Threetles recordings – when George often looks uncomfortable.

John and George had their moments, but there always seemed to be more discomfort in the post-Beatles years between Paul and George, illustrated by their lack of collaboration after the split.

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I think John and George had the common ground that they were comfortable enough to meet up if desired but they didn’t have to for the sake of it. Sadly, John got murdered and George never got another chance to see him – one of those where you always think you’ll get around to seeing someone but it never works out until they are gone. Yes, John got peeved at George not mentioning his influence in ‘I Me Mine ‘ but it’s one of those that would have been sorted out in about 5 minutes if they ever got the chance.

George and Paul didn’t have that ground due to the issues between them; occasionally they would see each other but it seemed to always be kind of eeeky followed by a long gap till the next time. It’s clear in the ‘Anthology’ documentary that George would get irked by Paul and then either tune out or fiddle about with a guitar. Kind of like what Ringo said; as soon as they started playing the bullshit went out the window. The problem would be when they stopped playing and Paul would try and lead/dominate. George’s attitude thru-out the ‘Anthology’ has always amused me; he clearly is taking it as a bit of fun since he is committed to it and would just let his mind wander when required to get thru.

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Starr Shine? said

I think John and Geroge got on the worst overall.

One thing that struck me was I was reading about how Paul and Ringo talked about how George liked to cuddle but John never mentioned anything about that.

George and Paul, in my opinion.

While George and John’s relationship was strained at the time of John’s death, what cannot be escaped is that during the decade when we had four ex-Beatles, the only two not to work together were George and Paul.

After the final Beatles session in January 1970, George and Paul only worked together again twice, when Paul contributed backing vocals to George’s John tribute, All Those Years Ago, and on the Threetles recordings – when George often looks uncomfortable.

John and George had their moments, but there always seemed to be more discomfort in the post-Beatles years between Paul and George, illustrated by their lack of collaboration after the split.

  

I agree with you on that, I’m flicking through a big book of George interviews that came out last year and it’s amazing how often he seems to just have some negative comment about Paul. 

 

Also it was interesting to see how he was very enthusiastic about The Beatles getting back together in 1970 seemingly but he just thought they needed a bit of time away from one another. 

 

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Interestingly I read a comment from someone close to the band recently saying that John and George rarely saw eye to eye on a lot of things. 

John shot his mouth off a lot at various times about Paul – reaching a nadir on ‘how do you sleep’ –  but I think he genuinely loved and admired him. George and Paul seems more problematic, at times it comes across like George genuinely hated Paul. His discomfort is plain to see in the anthology group interviews/scenes where he frankly looks like he wants to wrap that ukulele around Macca’s head at times. 

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The issue with George and Paul is that why would George invite Paul to his wedding or tell him first about his mom dying. Or choose to die in Paul’s house.

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