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Miscellaneous questions about the Beatles
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The only one I can think of is Kisses On The Bottom – I’m Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself A Letter (A lot of Kisses On The Bottom , I’ll be glad I got ’em)

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Sort of: “There is a long way / Between chaos and creation”

Just the “in the backyard” isn’t in the lyric.

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I’m hoping ye might be able to help me find an article. I know I’ve read at least one that was published in the wake of John’s death that suggested it should have been Paul who died, but I can’t find it anywhere. (I’m writing a thing, and I need to be specific). Anyone know what I’m talking about? I feel like it was one of the major pro-John authors.

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You might be remembering an article by Robert Christgau, @meaigs, published in the Village Voice shortly after John’s death, where he reported his wife commenting, “Why is it always Bobby Kennedy or John Lennon ? Why isn’t it Richard Nixon or Paul McCartney ?”

Edit: Found the article, published 10 December 1980:

As my wife said despondently an hour after the event: “Why is it always Bobby Kennedy or John Lennon ? Why isn’t it Richard Nixon or Paul McCartney ?” The fact is obvious enough. Dylan, of course. Jim Morrison, possibly. Neil Young, conceivably. But Paul McCartney ? Neil Diamond? Graham Nash? George Harrison ? Ringo Starr ? Never — because they don’t hold out hope, even if they’d sort of like to be able to. John Lennon held out hope.

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Brilliant, thanks!

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I’m curious about the various pins and badges worn by the Beatles over the years.

This is one is fairly well known I think:

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This one looks like it might be an apple with the heart in the middle? (The file isn’t large, so I can’t zoom in far enough)

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George and Ringo seem to both be wearing some kind of tree one here

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I’m very curious about this vitruvian man looking one, I think I’ve seen each of them wear it at one point or another. (He’s also wearing one that says “the love of my life” which I can’t get my head around ahdn_paul_01)

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Does anyone know where I can get more info on any of these, or the many others they wore?

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@meaigs said
This one looks like it might be an apple with the heart in the middle? (The file isn’t large, so I can’t zoom in far enough)

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Taken at Sunny Heights on 28 February 1967, I posted several photos from the session here.

This is probably the best shot of the badge, though the badge is slightly out of focus…

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It would appear to be a heart on a white background with a four word slogan in black.

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Great find @Ron Nasty ! That could definitely say “make love not war”, though it’s too blurry to be sure.

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meaigs said
That could definitely say “make love not war”, though it’s too blurry to be sure. 

Well spotted, @meaigs.

I’m pretty sure it does say “MAKE LOVE NOT WAR”.  I think it’s the following badge style (or quite similar):

MAKE LOVE NOT WAR – Original 1965 anti-war slogan peace button

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And in the end

The love you take is equal to the love you make

 

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Yes! I think I can even make out CND symbol, just faintly.

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I was listening to AHDN the other day and wondered is that their album with less vocal harmonies?. Like most of the numbers are sung by one person… Or maybe one sing the verses and another one the chorus…ahdn_george_01

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Whe did they get rid of Magic Alex? Was it  during the Get Back sessions, after they found out the mess he made with their recording studio? Or was it later?

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From Joe’s article on Magic Alex: In 1969 Allen Klein began an attempt to clean up The Beatles’ tangled business empire. A number of people – including Mardas – subsequently left the organisation, either being fired or resigning, as Klein attempted to transform Apple into a more efficient business.

Maybe someone else has more to add.

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Ahhh, Alexis, now he was a bit of a bugger to get rid of, @Shamrock Womlbs.

With most of the heads of Apple departments, when Klein came in he just replaced the person the Beatles had put in with his own pick. Apple Electronics Limited was more complicated though, as Alexis wasn’t only the head of that arm but also a shareholder and director — it was a joint venture between him (the “brains”) and the group (the money).

It is often suggested that Klein closed Apple Electronics which put Alexis out of a job, but this isn’t strictly true; Klein pulled the Beatles money out of Apple Electronics but couldn’t actually fully close the division without the agreement of the shareholders, and Alexis wouldn’t agree, which left him as the titular director of a company that no longer had the finance to actually do anything — a king without a kingdom.

Alexis finally resigned his directorship of Apple Electronics in May 1971 (possibly one of the effects of Paul’s High Court case to dissolve the Beatles partnership, not sure on that though), but he kept his shareholding in the company for several more years before relinquishing them to Apple, which may have involved Apple buying his shares just to finally close the book.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 That’s interesting. And did they maintain any relation with him after 1971? 

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I assume just business dealings, which would’ve come when he gave up his shareholding. I believe that may have been around 1977/early 1978, in preparation for their first lawsuit against Apple Computers over trademark infringement in 1978 — with one of the arguments in that lawsuit being that Apple had an electronics division; had they won damages I doubt they would have wanted a share to go to Alexis, so sort it cheaper before launching the lawsuit.

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Did the Beatles ever give an opinion over the release of the ‘Nowhere Man ‘ EP? It was released seven months after ‘Rubber Soul ‘ in July 1966 in between the ‘Paperback Writer ‘/’Rain ‘ single and the still to be issued and possibly titled ‘Revolver ‘. The ‘Yesterday ‘ EP came out in March 1966, eight months after the ‘Help ‘ LP. 

I know the EP market was dying by this time and a number of other Beatles titles had been haphazardly released, at times months after the songs were first released so maybe no one saw it as a problem. 

I only ask as the Beatles were often heard to mock the US market which put out extra singles and cut up the albums; maybe as the albums in the UK were untouched and there was an established UK EP chart it simply didn’t matter.

I’m probably rabbiting on about nothing that matters.

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When you close your eyes and picture the Beatles taking the concert stage, how are they grouped? I have always considered the classic band positioning as Paul to the far left sharing a mic stand with George on his immediate right. Ringo is in the middle toward the back of the stage. John is to the right with his own mic stand, standing closer to the drum kit than George. Both Paul and John are stationary rarely leaving their mic. George moves around more often, occasionally even blocking the Ludwig – Beatles drum skin. I was at a party with some Beatle people the other day and one of them said that this version of their performance choreography reflects my “Lennon bias”. Is right? 

 

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I’d say mic position had a lot to do with who is singing. They all seem to move away from the mic when they’re not singing. If George doesn’t sing on the song at all, he tends to move well away towards Ringo. If Paul and George are sharing harmonies on a John song, they share a mic, and move away in the solo singing sections, and back in to sing. If Paul is harmonising on a John song, or vice versa, they tend to share a mic.

I don’t agree about the movement, Paul always moved around on stage a lot, IMO.

I don’t know if I’d put it down to John bias, but maybe you’re thinking of a specific performance? Maybe Ed Sullivan?

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I hear what you’re saying mea! This question was based more on how you imagine the Beatles on stage, like a snapshot. For instance, say you are posing some Beatle figurines. 

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sigh brother’s positioning

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