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9 January 2017
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I honestly don’t even think he read it.

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I honestly don’t even think he read

What an ignorant thing to say to me, I first read Scaruffi’s horrible inaccurate ”article” back in 2001 and I emailed him soon afterwards.

9 January 2017
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mcsugalumps started a new thread today with the same title as this thread. I moved that post to https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..2/#p232636
Wow, two people bringing up the topic so close in time. Anyhoo.
@Randie, ie Randi Brooks, we can all see your write-ups in several places on the web.
http://www.guitarplayer.com/ar…..nces/58969
http://teamrock.com/feature/20…..ea-stadium
https://www.theguardian.com/mu…..aming-fans
Randie, do you want to make posts that contain an idea or two and then allow others to respond? If so, you may continue posting in this thread. If you do not want to comply with this mandate, then please do not waste our time. Thank you in advance.

What was your point of searching for and posting my very informative knowledgeable posts debunking ignorant inaccurate myths about The Beatles ? Which doesn’t make any sense at all that members on a Beatles fan forum wouldn’t be interested in and appreciate. I got a message from a guy I didn’t know in 2013 who happened to be the same online newspaper that I had posted this information about The Beatles,and he ran a private Beatles Facebook fan site and he asked me to join it because he said he was so impressed with my all of the information I posted about them,and said he never invites people he doesn’t know. I also got a message from a guy in Australia who said he was really impressed with my knowledge about The Beatles and he said like you said they wrote 50 years worth of music in just an 8 year recording career. An Australian teacher who is also big Beatles fan on the question and answer site Quora also said he was really impressed with all of my knowledge about The Beatles and many months later I found a post by an ignorant guy asking if The Beatles were the Back Street Boys of the 1960’s and he debunked this.

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Video has been discovered of when Randie first read the Scaruffi piece.

No that’s you,but there are a lot of true Beatles fans who are rightfully angry about Scaruffi’s countless hateful lies about The Beatles.

9 January 2017
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I honestly don’t even think he read it.

Ahh girl, you cruelly thank this poster? I really think this is the wrong forum it really is like a Beatles haters site instead.

9 January 2017
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This is a blog I made months ago,The Beatles Were *NEVER* A Boy Band,They Were Always A Great Rock n Roll,Pop Rock And Rock Band From The Start!

https://thebeatleswereneverabo…..om/page/2/

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Being a boy band doesn’t make you not a pop/rock band.

And the accusation came from the fact that you were posting the same exact posts from another site despite the completely different context.

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On this site in 2007 a guy named Tim Ellison said after someone posted a link to Scaruffi’s horrible false article,that Scaruffi’s page is a horror and he said that he was never going to go parsing through that garbage again sorry. I emailed him in February 2007 about Scaruffi’s ”article” and he emailed back and said yeah Scaruffi’s Beatles article is really bizzare and that wasn’t going to ever read it again.

http://ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSel…..3941#msg51

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Being a boy band doesn’t make you not a pop/rock band.
And the accusation came from the fact that you were posting the same exact posts from another site despite the completely different context.

Boy bands are manufactured and don’t play any instruments,much less be very good musicians as The Beatles were and they don’t write their own music,they have professional song writers writing for them,unlike the extremely talented John Lennon and Paul McCartney who were already writing hit songs for other music artists as early as 1963 when their own song writing success was just getting Off The Ground including Peter and Gordon,Cilia Black,Billy J. Kramer and The Dakatos one of The Rolling Stones first hits the rock n roll song I Wanna Be Your Man in 1963, true boy bands are stupid,uncool and tatentless.

Here is a very good educational you tube video by MeanMr Mayo who is a member of The Beatles fan site,Abbryd debunking this stupid,ridiculous,ludicrous myth that The Beatles were ever a boy band.

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Here is a 2011 amazon.com customer discussion where quite a few posters especially DK Pete do a very good job debunking this totally ignorant nonsense calling The Beatles a boy band,after a moron started this (unfortunately common) discussion,The Beatles Were The First Boy Band!

https://www.amazon.com/forum/m…..CJDLBBOKZR

Even in this 2011 discussion asking this totally stupid,ignorant,ludicrous question if The Beatles were a boy band,people who said they aren’t even Beatles fans know it’s absolute nonsense to call them a boy band,and as one of the fans said,The Beatles are the most talented,forward thinking bands and to call them a boy band is a complete insult to The Beatles.Another said they do have a problem with them being called this,because they are nothing like boy bands musically and it’s derogatory.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk…..038;page=3

The Beatles were *NEVER* a ”boy band”! As a poster Reverend Rock,who is a rock musician,reverend and a big Beatles fan said on a classic rock site years ago,that anyone who knows The Beatles history knows it’s ludicrous to even *suggest* such a thing! And what a huge insult to their enormous talent as true singers,song writers and musicians! The Beatles were a *zillion* times more talented and cool than any stupid,uncool,untalented real boy band!

The Monkees are the first true boy band because they didn’t even start off as a genuine band, they were all musical but they were originally hired as actors to play members of a TV pop rock band for their TV show, they didn’t start off playing together like Paul at age 15,George age 14 and John age 16 playing guitars and singing,then playing a few years later for 8 hours a night in sleazy strip clubs( and The Beatles had sex with many young women groupies,many who were teen girls and strippers) like The Beatles did in Hamburg Germany(or anywhere) for 2 years in a row,taking speed pills to stay awake to do it,and working their a*ses off playing as a real rock n roll band,and then playing successfully in the Cavern club as a real rock n roll band for years by the time they made it big.

And The Beatles wrote and played a lot of great rock n roll and pop rock songs in their early days. John and Paul wrote the rock n roll song I Wanna Be Your Man write in front of Keith Richards and Mick Jagger in 1963 and they were both really impressed that they could just write a song just like that,and it inspired them to start writing their own songs and both bands became good friends from then on. And this song was one of The Rolling Stones first hits.

There is just no comparison to The Monkees etc. A guy so accurately said on a message board many years ago when some idiots called them a ”boy band” that The Beatles were *never* a boy band,not even during their 1963-1965 period. And another guy said a few years after this on another forum,when some idiot said this,that he too once thought the early Beatles were a boy band like NYSNC,or The Back Street Boys ,until he got out of 7th grade.

Every time some ignorant person unjustly calls them a boy band,I’m sure John Lennon ‘s ashes must be turning with outrage.I’m sure he would go on to these sites and say I was *not* the founder and the leader of some f*king,stupid,uncool,untalented, boy band get that through your stupid f*cking heads!

And younger people don’t know what type of music was out in 1963,even though I wasn’t born yet,I know that The Beatles early songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were hard rock compared to the music out then.There was just Bobby Darin,The Four Seasons,Bobby Vinton and The Beach Boys surfing hits.

Not only is this so ignorant,ridiculous,and false on a creative and musical level,but on their personal level too. I guarantee true genuine boy bands don’t have groupies.

The Beatles had sex with *tons* of young women groupies,many who were just teen girls especially during their touring years of 1963-1966 ironically they did this the most during the joke fake cleaned up image Brian Epstein created for them in their early days.In reality they were like pimps playing the part of priests! It’s no coincidence that in The Beatles Anthology video series that Paul,George and Ringo made,the story that is reported of The Beatles being thrown out of a US hotel in August 1965 because Paul was found in his hotel bedroom with an underage girl, that is included in the first great Beatles documentary from 1982 The Complete Beatles which none of them had any involvement making,is completely left out of The Beatles Anthology.

Paul McCartney also said in Hunter Davies 1968 first edition of the only authorized Beatles biography called,The Beatles, that he had sex at age 15 with a girl who was older and bigger than him,and most 15 year old boys weren’t having sex in 1957,and he said he bragged about it to his classmates the next day and that he was the first one in his class to have sex.Paul also said in this book,that he would go into strip clubs at only 13 and he was the lad in his class that drew nude women.He also got another girl who was his girl friend,pregnant when he was 17 and she was 16,and Paul’s father and her parents wanted them to get married but she had a miscarriage.

Hunter Davies says in his 1985 update of his Beatles biography, that The Beatles were no different from any other rock band when it came to groupies and he said they just had more to chose from. He said it was up to the road manager to say to these young women,you,you and you 5 minutes later which is really sexist and disgusting but it’s totally typical for every rock band which is what they always were.

From Me To You ,and especially She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were praised by some music critics even from the beginning,like William Mann of The London Times in December 1963 pointed out their interesting unusual chords and arrangements and London Times music critic Richard Buckle also in late 1963 called John and Paul the greatest composers since Beethoven after they wrote the music for a play Mods and Rockers.

Bob Dylan ,Roger McGuinn of The Byrds as early as 1963 and 1964 pointed out that even in early Beatles songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand had unusual and interesting chords and they arranged them.

Here in this article about The Beatles chords,Bob Dylan is quoted saying what he thought in 1964 about The early Beatles music,he said that they were doing things nobody was doing and that their chords were outrageous,just outrageous and their harmonies made it all valid.

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~sounds…..ords.shtml

Here in Rolling Stone Magazine’s 100 Greatest Song Writers Bob Dylan is number 1,Paul McCartney is number 2, and John Lennon is number 3, Bob Dylan is quoted about a car trip when he heard a lot of Beatles songs on the radio, he said they were doing things and that he knew they were pointing the direction where music had to go.

http://www.rollingstone.com/mu…..ohn-lennon

Roger McGuinn has said that he started to play a 12 string guitar after he saw and heard George Harrison playing in in the A Hard Day’s Night movie.

And John and Paul wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits the rock n roll song, I Wanna Be Your Man in late 1963 right in front of them. And Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and said wow,how can you write a song just like that and it inspired them to start writing their own songs and both bands became good friends from then on.

John Lennon and Paul McCartney were such amazingly talented singer song writers that they were already writing hit songs for other artists as early as 1963 when their own song writing success was getting Off The Ground ,besides The Rolling Stones,they also wrote hit songs in 1963 for Billy J.Krammer and The Dakatos,Celia Black,and Peter and Gordon etc.

Paul wrote his first song at age 14 and was playing guitar,John wrote heavy deep poetry but didn’t start writing songs until he met Paul and was impressed that he wrote his own songs,and he too started to write his own songs at age 16,and they wrote together and never stopped from then on. Paul wrote the very pretty song I’ll Follow The Sun at only 16.Even when The Beatles first came to America in February 1964 many people said how rare it was for *adult* rock n roll bands and solo artists to write their own songs,and Paul and John were already doing this as teenagers in the mid 1950’s.

And even though I wasn’t born yet in 1963 I know what type of music was popular on the radio,non rock n roll songs like Bobby Vinton,The Four Seasons,Bobby Darin and The Beach Boys surfing hits,The early Beatles songs like She Loves You , I Want To Hold Your Hand and I Saw Her Standing There etc were hard rock for 1963 and ahead of their time.

The Beatles even in their early days were writing and playing on records as well in concerts,both love ballads,and great rocking rock n roll and pop rock songs that they both wrote and cover songs including their great rocking performances in Sweden where the audience was quiet during their performances.

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As The All Music Guide says in their excellent Beatles biography “That it’s difficult to summarize their career without restating cliches that have already been digested by tens of millions of rock fans, to start with the obvious,they were the greatest and most influential act of the rock era and introduced more innovations into popular music than any other rock band of the 20th century.”

“Moreover they were among the few artists of *any* discipline that were simultaneously the best at what they did *and* the most popular at what they did.” They also say as singers John Lennon and Paul McCartney were among the best and most expressive in rock.

Also on an excellent site,The Evolution of Rock Bass Playing McCartney Style by Dennnis Alstrand,Stanley Clarke,Sting,Will Lee,Billy Sheehan,George Martin and John Lennon are quoted saying what a great,melodic and influential bass player Paul has always been.

http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/paulbass.htm

And Wilco’s John Stirratt was asked in Bass Player which bass players have had the most impact on his playing and the first thing he said was, Paul McCartney is one of the greatest bass players of all time,if you listen to what he was tracking live in the studio it’s unbelievable.” “With his tone and musicality he was a huge influence,he covered all of his harmonic responsibilities really well but his baselines were absolutely melodic and inventive.”

http://connection.ebscohost.co…..oots-wilco

In this 2010 interview the blogger says that John Stirratt has an affinity for good melodies so it’s not surprising that Paul McCartney is one of his musical icons and then he quotes him saying that he’s always absolutely in awe of his playing,including Paul’s Beatles years.

http://audreeanne.blogspot.com…..-talk.html

And in an online 1977 Eric Clapton interview,Eric Clapton In His Own Words he says that there was always this game between John and George,and he said partly because John was a pretty good guitar player himself

http://www.superseventies.com/…..apton.html . He played live with John as a member of John’s 1969 Plastic Ono Band.

And there is a great online article by musician and song writer Peter Cross,The Beatles Are The Most Creative Band Of All Time and he says that many musicians besides him recognize Paul as one of the best bass guitar players ever.He too says that John and Paul are the greatest song composers and that to say that John and Paul are among 2 of the greatest singers in rock and roll is to state the obvious,and that John,Paul and George were all excellent guitarists and that George is underrated by people not educated about music but that Eric Clapton knew better,he also says that both John and Paul played great leads as well as innovative rhythm tracks.

John Lennon co-wrote,sang and played guitar on one of David Bowie’s first hits Fame in 1975 and David invited John to play guitar on his version of John’s beautiful Beatles song Across The Universe .Brain May,Ozzy Osbourne,and Liam Gallagher and many more call The Beatles The Greatest Band Ever.’

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-…..;id=222245

Also on MusicRadar Tom Petty,Joe Perry and Richie Sambora in What The Beatles Mean To Me all say how cool and great they thought The Beatles were when they first saw them on The Ed Sullivan Show in February 1964 when they were just teen boys,Richie was only 5.Tom Petty said he thought they were really really great.

Robin Zander of Cheap Trick said he’s probably one of the biggest Beatles fans on the planet.Brad Whitford of Aerosmith said that a lot of that Beatles influence comes from Steven Tyler’s collaboration with Mark Hudson both whom are absolute Beatles freaks and he said I guess the goal is to try and emulate probably some of the best music of the last 50 years which has to be The Beatles.

They were the greatest *rock* band ever! (NEVER A G*d dam*ed stupid,uncool,untalented boy band as so many ignorant morons misperceive them as!) And I have always loved this great blues rocker by Paul,She’s A Woman .

Except live there isn’t the piano,blending with the great rocking guitars,Paul’s great prominent booming bass,and his great rock vocal! And once again it’s amazing how good they sound on such limited,primitive sound systems of the time and with no feedback monitors so they couldn’t even hear themselves singing and playing,yet they still played and sang great and in sync with each other.

Here is their great April 1965 New Music Express Winner’s Poll concert from April 11,1965.They won three years in a row.And notice that there are men and women of ages in the audience.

Here they performed Paul’s great rocking I Saw Her Standing There in Sweden in October 1963 which The Beatles recorded in February 1963 on their first album Please Please Me which was recorded in just one day.

The Beatles performing their rocking cover of Long Tall Sally with Paul’s great rocking vocal June 1964.

Here in 1964 June in Melbourne Australia they are playing John’s great rock song that they had recorded in February 1964 on their first great early album A Hard Day’s Night .

And here they performed Paul’s very good hard rocking,especially for early 1965,I’m Down at The Ed Sulivian Theater August 14,1965 one night before their live Shea Stadium performance.

https://vimeo.com/133531241

Here is their even harder rocking performance at Shea Stadium on August 15,1965 than they did on their record version of Paul’s I’m Down . And they did what a great rock n roll band would do,they ended this rock n roll concert with this rocking song.

Here they performed a rocking cover of Dizzy Miss Lizzy with John’s great rock vocal,at the same She Stadium concert.

https://vimeo.com/14652584

Here is another great rocking Beatles performance of the cover Twist And Shout in June 1964 in Melbourne Australia

And what a huge disgusting insult to all of them as very talented musicians,and to John and Paul as extremely talented song composers and great singers,and to John Lennon ‘s memory and was never the founder and leader of some stupid,uncool,untalented boy band! And I’m certain that if John were still living he would come on youtube and other message boards and say I was *never* the founder and leader of any f**king stupid,uncool,untalented boy band get that through your stupid f**king heads!

If Beethoven,Mozart and Bach had screaming teenage girls in their audiences and they formed a band together they would have been a boy band too right?

Award winning classical composer and music professor Dr.Glen Gass’s Beatles course he’s been teaching since 1982 and he’s been teaching a course in rock music in general since then.

http://courses.music.indiana.e…..atles.html

http://info.music.indiana.edu/…..lenn.shtml

31 Year old Beatles academic and music scholar Arron Krerowicz plays many instruments & writes his own music too

http://www.aaronkrerowicz.com/faq.html

The early Beatles lyrics were more simple but a lot of their early music was actually much more complex. Just one of many examples I always loved this very early John song written and recorded in 1962 Ask Me Why .

I have always loved this great beautiful song written by John,with such typical beautiful melodies and harmonies John and Paul usually wrote,and John’s usual beautiful singing voice.And this was amazingly recorded in 1962 on only two track tape! with such limited,primitive recording technology but it of course still sounds great.Except I hate mono it’s limited sounding and only makes their already limited recording technology sound even more limited.I tried to find the stereo version of this song on youtube but I couldn’t find it.

Here university of Pennsylvania musicologist Alan W.Pollack who did an 11 year extensive analysis of every one of the 200 Beatles songs,analyzes Ask Me Why and explains that it’s structurally complex.

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~sounds…../amw.shtml

Here is Alan’s whole Beatles song analysis series

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~sounds…..s_on.shtml

Both VH1 and MTV have been using Richie Unterberger’s excellent All Music Guide’s long Beatles biography as their Beatles biography they both used to not have a very good biography of The Beatles.Here are great Beatles biographies that totally debunk this totally stupid,inaccurate,ludicrous,ridiculous myth that they were ever a ‘’boy band’’.

http://www.allmusic.com/artist…../biography

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…..he_Beatles

The Beatles own documentary The Beatles Anthology

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The great 1982 Beatles documentary,The Complete Beatles narrated by award winning British actor Malcolm McDowell

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And any great reputable accurate Beatles biography would debunk this ludicrous,stupid myth.And I have *never* read or heard *any* legitimate serious rock critics or rock music journalists describe them this way and for extremely great reasons.

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From Wikipedia

A boy band (or boyband) is loosely defined as a vocal group consisting of young male singers, usually in their teenage years or in their twenties at the time of formation, singing love songs marketed towards young females.

Is that true of the Beatles? At the start most of all?

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From Wikipedia
A boy band (or boyband) is loosely defined as a vocal group consisting of young male singers, usually in their teenage years or in their twenties at the time of formation, singing love songs marketed towards young females.
Is that true of the Beatles? At the start most of all?

The Beatles were not just a vocal group from the beginning,they wrote and played a lot of their own music and I posted what you and other members obviously didn’t watch and read,that The Beatles wrote and performed many of their own very good and great rock n roll songs many which were hard rock in 1963 and 1964 and also recorded and performed rocking versions of rock n roll cover songs,I posted links above to just some of their performances like these.

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Being vocal groups, most boy band members do not play musical instruments, either in recording sessions or on stage, making the term something of a misnomer. However, exceptions do exist.

And also something that the Beatles did

Typically, each member of the group will have some distinguishing feature and be portrayed as having a particular personality stereotype, such as “the baby,” “the bad boy,” or “the shy one.

Hello Mr. Cute one

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Included in the information I posted yesterday, that many members unfortunately mistook as ”spamming”, I not only debunked Scaruffi’s lie that The Beatles weren’t innovative, and I included quite a few serious music scholars analysis of their music including their early music,including by University of Penn graduate musicologist Alan Pollack who did an 11 year study of all 200 Beatles songs and demonstrates that even many of their early songs have complex chords,clever subtleties and arrangements. I also debunked many of his other outright lies about them including that they weren’t good musicians,and that other music artists never praised them,when I provided many links to video interviews and news paper interviews with many well known successful rock and other musicians who still call them great,many call The Beatles the greatest rock band ever and call John and Paul the two greatest song writers of the 20th century,even over their own bands and solo selves.

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Starr Shine? said
From Wikipedia

Being vocal groups, most boy band members do not play musical instruments, either in recording sessions or on stage, making the term something of a misnomer. However, exceptions do exist.

And also something that the Beatles did

Typically, each member of the group will have some distinguishing feature and be portrayed as having a particular personality stereotype, such as “the baby,” “the bad boy,” or “the shy one.

Hello Mr. Cute one

That does not make them a boy band,but a great rock n roll band that happened to have a lot of screaming teen girl fans,and lunch boxes and dolls etc which they didn’t ask for etc.And if this is all they had going for and about them and they were like true boy band who only has these things,because they don’t play their own instruments or write their own music.

They also didn’t want or ask for the Beatlemania hysteria either,they didn’t know this would happen,they wanted to be a successful rock n roll band like anyone does.It’s really unbelivable that I or anyone has to try to prove this to any Beatles fans.

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So you debunked Scaruffi correct?

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From Wikipedia

Being vocal groups, most boy band members do not play musical instruments, either in recording sessions or on stage, making the term something of a misnomer. However, exceptions do exist.

And also something that the Beatles did

Typically, each member of the group will have some distinguishing feature and be portrayed as having a particular personality stereotype, such as “the baby,” “the bad boy,” or “the shy one.

Hello Mr. Cute one

That does not make them a boy band,but a great rock n roll band that happened to have a lot of screaming teen girl fans,and lunch boxes and dolls etc which they didn’t ask for etc.And if this is all they had going for and about them and they were like true boy band who only has these things,because they don’t play their own instruments or write their own music.

They also didn’t want or ask for the Beatlemania hysteria either,they didn’t know this would happen,they wanted to be a successful rock n roll band like anyone does.It’s really unbelivable that I or anyone has to try to prove this to any Beatles fans.

Well The Beatles weren’t that exception and true boy bands are what I explained them to be. But you know what you are right after all,and I really should just throw all of my early Beatles CD’s in the trash or give them to a 11 year old girl who loves boy bands.

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Nothing wrong with liking boybands.

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So you debunked Scaruffi correct?

Not to people who for some puzzling reasons *want* to believe the falsehoods he wrote,but I never would have thought that any Beatles fans would.

I had posted this yesterday debunking another one of the countless myths and lies Scaruffi wrote about them,

Another of the countless ignorant inacurrate things Scaruffi says about The Beatles writing 3 minute songs,well until The Beatles broke the rules for everyone with the long song Hey Jude in 1968, the radio’s rules for everyone was that they wouldn’t play any songs longer than 3 minutes. If you look up online The Rolling Stones early hit songs like Paint It Black etc they too are only 3 minutes and some seconds.Pain It Black is only 3 minutes and 22 seconds long.

As Tears Go By is only 2 minutes and 33 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…..o_By_(song)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…..t_It_Black

Under My Thumb is only 3 minutes and 41 seconds long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…..r_My_Thumb

Get Off Of My Cloud is only 2 minutes and 55 seconds long

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…..f_My_Cloud

Satisfaction is only 3 minutes and 44 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…..tisfaction

Ruby Tuesday is only 3 minutes and 15 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…..sday_(song)

The Who’s My Generation is only 3 minutes and 18 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…..Generation

Happy Jack by The Who is only 2 minutes and 14 seconds

long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…..Jack_(song)

etc, etc

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Isn’t the irony, @Randie, that by your approach to this subject, and to this forum, you’ve actually derailed this thread?

We’re not discussing Scaruffi’s opinion here anymore, but your response to it.

As I have said before, Scaruffi’s view of The Beatles doesn’t get any real traction here – as demonstrated by the fact there were only five responses to the OP in this thread before your first post on this subject on Saturday, and we’re now up to 60+, with a large percentage of those being yours.

Had you approached the subject anew, considered that Scaruffi’s don’t carry much (or any) weight here, and written something that took account of the fact you were not addressing a group of non-Beatles fans here, maybe the response you’ve got would have been very different.

Instead, you’ve assumed Scaruffi’s opinion is widely agreed with on this forum, and decided to educate us on the flaws in his argument. Most of us, if not all, could produce arguments of similar weight as yours against Scaruffi.

We just don’t see the point. We know his opinion is bullshit and move on.

Yes, you provided lots of information, but I certainly didn’t discover anything new in your posts.

It’s not that we’re not interested, but rather we have the same opinion of Scaruffi as you.

You seem to think his opinion carries more weight than it does, that it shapes the majority opinion of The Beatles. It doesn’t.

People will always have opinions, and people will always disagree with those opinions. On anything and everything. It’s what makes life interesting.

Why do you think it important to tear down his faulty assessment so fully sixteen years on? Are you hoping that, if you make the exact same arguments again and again, in multiple places, without any regard for the audience you’re addressing, Scaruffi will change his opinion?

Not going to happen. Sorry. He has his opinion, and he’s entitled to it.

Peace and love.

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