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Well, first, before I even start, I’d just like to point out all the photos that show love. Such as John gazing dreamily, or staring strangely at Paul. I know, there’s not definite proof, but DAMN some of them are romantic af. (And I’m not talking about edited pictures where they’re leaning on each other lovingly or kissing each other, because those are obviously fake)

So there are some things that convince me they were together, or at least John was madly in love with Paul, just a lot of little things, like you know, maybe, all of these things below:

John getting tons of money for his birthday and instead of using it to take Cynthia or Mimi to Spain (turned out to be Paris), he instantly invited Paul [And I know you could say that it was because they were very close friends, but still, why wouldn’t he take his girlfriend to a romantic place on his birthday?]

The fact that they shared a bed in Paris, Paul took pictures of John sleeping in their bed, and Paul took a particular picture of John sitting in the room’s only bed where John seems to not be wearing anything from the waist down [And I know you might be asking ‘if they wanted to keep their relationship a secret, why would Paul take a picture of John half-naked?’ Well, Paul either thought nobody would ever see it, or nobody would notice John’s ‘hem-hem’ nudity]

Them buying cats for each other named Pyramus and Thisbe [Could obviously just be a random thing, but I wanted to include it because its cute]

John was always being rude to all of Paul’s girlfriends/girls he was having flings with. Not to mention that time where he cut up the clothes of a girl Paul was sleeping with once, and called her a whore.

“Dear Friend” was a song written by Paul about John. In the lyrics, he says “I’m in love with a friend of mine” [One could say that Paul is just saying that he loves him, but then wouldn’t he say “I love a friend of mine” rather than “I’m in love”, which seems like a big difference between platonic and romantic]

John’s songs “Real Love ” and “Stepping Out” were originally one song called “Real Life” in which Lennon sings “Was I just dreaming, was it only yesterday? I used to hold you in my arms.” [I know you could say that this could be about anybody, but in my opinion when John uses the word ‘yesterday’ he does it to show who exactly he’s talking about]

In an interview where John interviewed himself for Andy Warhol’s magazine. He talks to himself with him being both the questioner and the answerer.

Q- It is trendy to be bisexual and you’re usually ‘keeping up with the Jones’, haven’t you ever…there was talk about you and Paul…

A- Oh, I thought it was about me and Brian Epstein…anyway, I’m saving all the juice for my own version of “The Real Fab Four Beatles Story” etc., etc. 

Q- It seems like you’re saving quite a lot for when you’re forty…

A- Yes, there might be nothing better to do, though I don’t believe it.

[The way he states it makes it seem like there WAS something between him and Paul. Also I cry almost every time I read this, because he never even got a chance to write what I’m sure would’ve been a mind-blowing and very revealing book because some psychotic messed-up homophobic radical Christian named Mark David Chapman decided to kill this wonderful man]

The way that Paul calls John things like ‘love’, ‘babe’, ‘baby’, ‘Johnny’, which seem very much like pet names, and the fact that a lot of people who worked at Apple called Paul ‘John’s princess’. [They could obviously be teasing him, but it seems like Paul and John never minded it, so that’s kind of odd]

The bracelet that Paul always wears that he says has ‘close sentimental value’ is almost absolutely something John bought for him on their trip to Paris. The reason I believe this is because it showed up in the early 60s, and if it’s of ‘close sentimental value’, this undeniably either means it’s from John. Based on the fact that he still wears it to this day, i’d assume it’s not something from Jane. So, John got him a bracelet that he tries to wear almost every single day? Sure, it could just be a really strong friendship…but I see a giving of jewelry to someone special to you, and then that person wearing it constantly as more of a romantic thing. [Also, I’m just kind of hypothesizing with the fact that it was given in Paris, but it certainly would make sense, being that the bracelet appeared around that time, and the fact that Paris is very special to both of them]

The tapes that John left for Paul. When John died, Yoko gave Paul tape cassettes that John had wanted to give him. One of them had “Free As A Bird ” and “Real Love ” on it. The other, strangely, had ‘For Paul’ scribbled on the top, obviously implying that the songs on them weren’t just songs he was GIVING Paul, but songs ABOUT Paul. These songs were “Now And Then ” and “Grow Old With Me “. Both obvious love songs, the former being about regret, and wishing somebody was back with him.

Also, I would just like to add this as a speculation. Leaving India, both John and Paul seemed particularly grumpy and sad. I personally feel like the infamous feud between them might’ve started around this time. What confuses me though, is what happened? What made them both so upset with one another. Well, using some speculation, and this is me kind of fishing around for a tiny fish in a big ocean, I think John might’ve tried to take their relationship to the next level. The reason I believe this is because homosexuality was finally legalized in England around this time, and John probably thought that Paul might be ready to make their love public. However, I think Paul was scared and insecure, and kind of just wanted to be ‘normal’, and turned him down. They both started drifting apart, and Paul moved on to yet another woman while trying to maintain his relationship with Paul. John picked up Yoko so as to say ‘So what, look I’ve got another girl now too.” (Not that I doubt Lennon actually loved Yoko) However, instead of making Paul jealous, or fixing their relationship, they just ended up leaving each other and leading their seperate lives. At least that’s my theory. This paragraph isn’t as much fact as it is my interpretation though.

And of course there are many of these quotes and stories that aren’t just me interpreting something Paul or John said about love or about each other, but are actually kind of weird and confusing if you don’t consider that they might have feelings for one another:

(Paul walking into the studio)

John: Hey! Did you dream about me last night?

Paul: I can’t remember.

John: Very strong dream. We both dreamt about it. It was amazing! Different dreams, you know, but I though you must’ve been there. {inaudible speech} I was touching you. Nothing sexy, though.

Paul: Nothing to worry about, though?

John: Nothing to worry about, no?

(Interview: Interviewer asks about topless bathings suits)

John: (says some stuff I can’t quite hear), but I wouldn’t have my wife or any of my friends wearing them.

Paul: Well, you’ve…you’ve had us wearing them.

John: I know Paulie, you’re just so well-built

(John talking to Harry Nilsson)

“I’m just like everybody else, Harry. I fell for Paul’s looks.” [I know this could be taken out of context, but still ‘fell for Paul’s looks’?, feels pretty romantic to me]

(Yoko Ono)

“I think [John] had a desire to [sleep with other men], but I think he was too inhibited. No, not too inhibited. He said [to me]: ‘I don’t mind if there’s an incredibly attractive guy. It’s very difficult. They would have to be not just physically attractive, but mentally very advanced too. And you can’t find people like that.'” 

For some reason, Yoko doesn’t even care to think about the incredibly physically attractive and mentally advanced man that John was with for more than a decade. Hmmm? I wonder who’s a beautiful and intelligent man that John might’ve fallen for?

Yoko had also heard a rehearsal tape with John calling out ‘Paul, Paul’ in a weird, pleading, and submissive way.

 (All the following evidences are from studio takes)

John: Okay

*what sounds like a kiss* [obviously could be somebody smacking their lips or chewing something, but based on their conversation, it seems unlikely]

John: To say about the girls that you…do

{insert some talking about the song they’re recording at the moment, which seems to be Think For Yourself }

John: Alright, Paul, come along now…

*kiss*

{More practice singing}

John: I will please to see the Earth mend disintegrated (No idea what he’s talking about)

John: (whispers) McCartney

(Can’t really explain this one, so maybe you should just listen to it. It seems to be them saying idiotic random things in fake accents, and then I can’t tell if it’s Paul or John that says ‘Ha, give us a kiss!’, and then John goes ‘Okay, hmm, well that might be an idea…’)

Paul: I’ll be overpowering this time.

John: Oh, good! I like it when you’re brutal.

Paul: Shhhh. Quiet in the studio, please.

(Talking about Two of Us being about them)

Paul: Okay, ‘two of us riding nowhere” that’s as if…we’re like…two, but then “we’re on our way home”

John: It’s like we’re a couple of queens…

Paul: Yeah, well…you know. Well, I mean, that’s…

John: We ARE a couple of queens.

Now, the biggest thing going against all this (and pretty much the only reason why a lot of people deny McLennon) is that Paul frequently says he’s straight, and that he never had sex with John, and so on. If he’s says he’s straight, then sure, he’s straight. (Even though Paul McCartney is literally one of the gayest men I have ever seen) I would believe him completely…That is if he didn’t say other things, such as him having absolutely no ‘hints’ about John being anything other than straight. This is where he messes up. Surely he would’ve noticed John’s strange (sexual and brief) relationship with Stu. (Which has pretty much been confirmed as real by Stu’s own sister and John himself, so no arguing there), or have even thought that the rumors about John and Brian were true (which they were, as Pete Shotton said, and John also confirmed later in life, when he was comfortable with his sexuality), or have seen any hints at all, such as John having close friendships with a lot of gay photographers, playwrights, and mostly other artistic people (which obviously doesn’t make somebody automatically gay if they hang out with a lot of gay people, but it seems likely that back then, if you were hanging out with other homosexuals, you were probably also gay) But somehow Paul completely denies these facts, making me doubt him. Although I’m not sure why Paul is lying, I have some reasons. Either he feels bad about leaving John for Linda and then John dying, and keeps telling himself lies to make himself feel better, or he doesn’t want to say anything while Yoko’s still alive. (As he’s said, he has ‘juicy stuff’ to spill about John, but only after both Cynthia and Yoko were dead, which heavily implies that he’s spilling something about love, considering those are both John’s previous partners) 

It’s fine if you don’t believe in it. There are probably a lot of evidences that go against it. However, I think it’s terrible to deny that something more than a friendship could’ve possibly blossomed out of two young, curious, feminine men with more similarities and emotional connections than any other pairing I’ve seen in my lifetime.

MCLENNON FOREVER!!!!

You know what, I’m getting worn out from typing so much, I’m just gonna stop here. If you need more info, I’ll add it, but I doubt that’s necessary. I understand how you might think that I’m a crazy theorist, like the Paul is Dead people (whose facts don’t really make sense, by the way), but I honestly believe that something was going on. I value your opinion, as many other also just say that what’s out there already is the truth, but I just feel as if, if I don’t believe this, then there’s a lot that doesn’t make sense. I hope I didn’t waste your time, and I hope that you’re at least maybe considering that there might be something we don’t know about.

Thank you for replying. I’m kind of newer to this website, and I’m kind of nervous to do anything on it, but I ended up making a super long-ass theory thing. 

As for the “Dear Friend” thing, I think you have a  pretty good point. He could be talking about Linda on the surface of the song, just talking to John about it (since the song has to do something with John considering Paul said it was about him), but I still would like to interpret it the way that I personally think Paul meant it. Thanks for your time! 

(Also, would you mind explaining to me about the ‘whole other ways to love someone’ thing? I’m not trying to be rude, since you can’t really hear the tone of voice of someone while they’re typing. I’m just kind of curious, and I don’t think I’ve ever met an aromantic and/or asexual person. Obviously everybody ‘loves’ their friends and family and all that stuff, but I’m just wondering if there’s other ways to, well, I don’t know, like love love someone in a nonromantic or nonsexual way. Could you please explain it to me? It’s okay, you don’t have to, I know this is weird, I’m just curious.)