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1 November 2013
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Leppo (aka fabbeatlebooks) said
Yes you can pick because I can’t choose.
Ok. I pick this one
3. To have more of their gigs recorded properly.
I think this is best from a fan p.o.v
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Offline I will just concur with others who have wished that the Beatles’ breakup had not been quite so acrimonious. I don’t mind the fact that they broke up when they did — it was actually rather perfect in some respects — but the fact that they grew so estranged and held those grudges for so many years saddens me greatly. At the very least, as @robert said, a proper reunion: not necessarily musical, but as four friends.
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27 March 2015
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Leppo (aka fabbeatlebooks) said
A few things I would change.1. They should have sat Pete Best down and told him to his face that he wasn’t in the band. It would have been the right thing to do.
2. They should have looked after Mal and paid him a decent wage after all the selfless service he gave to them instead of discarding him when he was no longer of use.
3. To have more of their gigs recorded properly.
4. For the original Cavern to still be standing as well as George’s house Kinfauns.
5. For all the efforts of the Let it Be sessions to have been channelled into a more productive project.
6. After Abbey Rd they could have agreed to take an indefinite break to do their solo projects and just reconvene whenever they wanted without any pressure.
1. Agree.
2. Disagree. The job ceased to exist, therefore he had no more job to receive wages for. When someone gets fired, they no longer get paid by their former employee. That’s how it works. Mal was free to get a different job. I’m sure he wouldn’t even want to be coddled!
3. Agree.
4. Agree on the Cavern, but I don’t have much of an opinion on Kinfauns. I know some demos were recorded there and it played a role in their saga, but in the end, George loved Friar Park more.
5. Definitely agree.
6. Disagree. So many bands try the reunion thing, and it nearly always flops. They were done, the Beatles as a band reached the end of its lifespan. It’s sad that it ended so badly, but it’s great that it ended when it did. I don’t know if they could have topped Abbey Road .
And that brings me nicely to what I would change and what others have said before me: I’d change how they split up. If only they could have remained relatively friendly through it all, that would have spared them all so much heartache…
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Offline Stuck to the rule that no outsiders were allowed in the studio when they were working.
Not gone to see the Maharishi.
Did proper recordings and releases of the songs they gave away
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Yes, yes, and yes!
Although… the whole India thing did result in a bunch of really good songs….
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18 April 2013
Offline I thought it was one thing? I see people adding to it.
I would make them into more peaceful human beings.
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Not gone to see the Maharishi.
I can really get on board with this one.
Though, again, as JPM-Fangirl said, the music it produced.
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1 November 2013
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I thought it was one thing? I see people adding to it.
(On this forum, thread rules are seen as guidelines)
One small thing would be have their pets included more. Don’t get to here much about any of them exept Martha.
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Offline Expert Textpert said
I thought it was one thing? I see people adding to it.I would make them into more peaceful human beings.
I listed them in order of importance (to me). So the no outsiders rule would be the one thing I would change
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Offline Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
2. Disagree. The job ceased to exist, therefore he had no more job to receive wages for. When someone gets fired, they no longer get paid by their former employee. That’s how it works. Mal was free to get a different job. I’m sure he wouldn’t even want to be coddled!
You might have missed the point about them paying him a pittance. And come on it wasn’t a regular employer/employee relationship. Mal was part of the extended family. They also managed to find Neil Aspinall a job and looked after him. Why not Mal who had served them just as loyally and for almost as long as Neil? They weren’t short of money.
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6.59am
27 March 2015
Offline Don’t forget Neil had 8 O-levels (Paul was the only Beatle to have any, and he ‘only’ had 5), and was studying to be an accountant when he gave that up to be the Beatles’ roadie. He had the knowledge required to fill that position. Mal was a bouncer at the Cavern when the Beatles took him in. I don’t know where he went to school or anything, but there’s a good chance he simply didn’t qualify for any of the available jobs.
Also, what makes you think Mal would want them to take care of him? As far as I know, it was his job to take care of the boys and he took pride in that. I can imagine him refusing to accept any special treatment. The lads never stopped loving him anyway.
If you have any information which indicates Mal did want to be taken care of, then I’d be more than willing to change my mind, of course.
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1 May 2011
Online I don’t think Mal wanted to be anything else than Mal, I certainly don’t think he was a business man. He tried his hand at producing and enjoying doing what he was. I highly doubt he wanted to be a charity case getting hand-outs from his former friends.
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6 July 2016
Offline You make a fair point about Neil being better educated @Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^<.
Mal’s modest salary hardly changed from the days of the Cavern through to being made MD of Apple. He was on record in his diaries as saying he was broke, couldn’t pay his bills and his family were suffering. I’m not suggesting he would have wanted charity but would it have been too much to pay him a decent wage from the multi-millions they made? Ok perhaps it wasn’t directly The Beatles responsibility but I don’t think it reflects on them very well that they didn’t care. Peace and Love and all that.
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1 May 2011
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And who’s to say they knew about him being broke; many people write in diaries and journals details which they won’t and don’t disclose to their closest friends. So maybe Mal never told the others and they never realised until it was too late.
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11.37am
27 March 2015
Offline I agree with MMM. The Beatles definitely wouldn’t have been responsible for setting the wages. They barely knew what they were making themselves, or that Brian paid himself first, after which all expenses (including Neil and Mal’s wages) were paid out of the boys’ cut, meaning they paid for everything before they even saw a penny. The records didn’t even earn them any real money; touring was what made them rich. And yes, after Brian died, they still didn’t bother with that side of business much and were easy targets for those who wanted to take advantage of them.
Mal was a Northern Man just like the lads. He probably never told anyone about his troubles.
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Offline I have to disagree with aspects of this.
In its way, the story of The Beatles and Mal is up there with their treatment of Pete.
You cannot blame Brian for what they were paying Mal after Brian’s death. You cannot blame Brian for them promoting him to personal assistant after Apple got going but leaving him on the same wage Brian had been paying him. You cannot blame Brian for them allowing Allen Klein to sack him, before three of them relented and had him put back on salary.
Two people were with them throughout, Neil and Mal. To my mind, they should both have been looked after equally (and, let’s be honest, Neil’s job as Apple boss didn’t really start to become important until the ’90s).
The most telling thing is that they directly told Klein that Neil couldn’t be sacked, that Neil was untouchable, but didn’t do the same for Mal. You can’t see them looking after Neil, but not making the same efforts for Mal, and not think it wasn’t somewhere where the boys let themselves down.
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Online I’m not blaming Brian for what happened after his death but I cannot see the Beatles sitting down with the payslips and seeing what everyone was earning. They had no idea what was going on with their money until they realised they had little of it left.
Maybe they recognised Neil could do a specific job, and someone had to issue all the lawsuits and pretend Apple was of some use, and wanted to do that whereas Mal didn’t and wanted to be somewhere else not playing business.
Do we know what Mal wanted and what he did about it?
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Offline One other thing to note is that George was aware of Mal’s situation because Mal told him. (according to Mal’s diaries)
Ron Nasty said
You cannot blame Brian for them allowing Allen Klein to sack him, before three of them relented and had him put back on salary.
Does that mean one Beatle didn’t want him reinstated @Ron Nasty ?
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10 September 2014
Offline The one thing I would change is that I would have had The Beatles UK discography be available internationally upon it’s original release. Although I would have had the US version of Magical Mystery Tour be the ‘official’ version from the beginning. So there would not have been any different version of The Beatles discography in different countries, and all peoples could have heard The Beatles the way they intended.
Either that or have them not be cigarette smokers. That way George would not have died of lung cancer.
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Offline Good one, although I actually prefer the EP version of MMT to the US version. If I could change one thing about The Beatles, I would make it so Mark David Chapman was the guy who got run over by a tractor at Woodstock and died.
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