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2020 Beatles Bible Bracket Challenge
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Strawberry Fields Forever vs Here Comes The Sun : Strawberry Fields Forever  – this is just not fair! Two of my Top 5 Beatles songs … would have been a good final!

Twist And Shout vs Norwegian Wood : Norwegian Wood  – T&S is a great performance but Norwegian Wood is just a wonderful song and recording!

Dear Prudence vs. She Said She Said : Dear Prudence  – very close, one of the best songs on the ‘White Album ‘ v one of the best songs on ‘Revolver ‘!

Glass Onion vs While My Guitar Gently Weep: While My Guitar Gently Weeps  – I prefer ‘Here Comes The Sun ‘, but will be nice to see a George song in the next round! ‘Glass Onion ‘ wouldn’t make my single album ‘White Album ‘.

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^I took the block quotes off your post, @alittlebitolder so Sir Walter won’t miss your votes when he is counting.

(Hummmmm…maybe I should have left the block quotes around your 2nd and 4th choices. Just kidding.)

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Unfortunately, we must say goodbye to some more incredible songs.

  

Been happening since the first round, in reality. Surprises at every turn.

HCTS – Such a powerful message, bright and uplifting.  A giant killer.

TnS – Love the energy. Enduring and known even to non-fans.  NW is great and certainly “better crafted”, but no-one breaks out singing it on a parade float! ahdn_john_08_gif

SSSS – Tough choice, so it came down to my preference of Revolver  over the White Album  

WMGGW- Are we headed to an all-George showdown? 

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Here Comes The Sun – The production is incredible on both. I love the evolution of SSF, it benefits tremendously from the combination of takes, however with Here Comes The Sun , if you asked a casual Beatles fan, acoustic guitar might be the only instrument they could name off of the top of their head. It is the the best example of the Beatles at the height of their powers, taking a damn perfectly written song, joining forces in the studio and crafting a masterpiece. Every single aspect is untouchable. 

Norwegian Wood – While SSF is a feat of songwriting on its own, it is the execution that really elevates it. Like Here Comes The Sun , Norwegian Wood is a song that requires no elevation, yet the product is more than any of us deserve. George’s Sitar playing is reserved, simple, yet so elegant playing the commanding melody cutting right through the mix. Another example of a perfect song made better by the full band collaboration 

She Said She Said – I love Dear Prudence , but SSSS is more exciting. The entire Revolver album makes excellent use of fadeouts, but She Said She Said has one of the best ever. Don’t underestimate the complexity of this song. So much going on and it all flows together perfectly. Ringo’s drumming alone should carry this to the elite eight. 

WMGGW – I’m as big a Glass Onion fan as they come but come on its While My Guitar Gently Weeps for christ sake

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Everyone who is voting for HCTS and WMGGW, we should all go out for dinner together after lockdown <3 x

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I can understand voting for Strawberry Fields Forever , but voting for Glass Onion over WMGGW!?!? Did a double take reading @Jules ‘s take calling it pretentious. Kind of a hilarious opinion. Its not a Blake poem its the goddamn greatest rock song ever. 

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WMGGW is bad compared to the anthology version. Also this bracket should of had Piggies .

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I would support Piggies over Glass Onion being here. GO is a solid 6/10 song- not impressive by any measure.

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I think early Beatles were underrepresented as a whole. And Paul isn’t doing to well in the late rounds. 

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Early Beatles is criminally underrated, and Glass Onion is easily a 10/10 song.

Piggies should have made it though at least a few rounds…a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

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We should do a bracket for the bottom 128 next time a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

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Teddy Salad said

Are we headed to an all-George showdown?   

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I can understand voting for Strawberry Fields Forever , but voting for Glass Onion over WMGGW!?!? Did a double take reading @Jules ‘s take calling it pretentious. Kind of a hilarious opinion. Its not a Blake poem its the goddamn greatest rock song ever. 

Like, the lyrics are… weird and vague. “I don’t know why you were converted”? come on it’s pretentious… And the chord changes are awful, that minor to major change just doesn’t flow at all. Glass Onion wouldn’t be winning my bracket (especially since it went up against Baby, You’re a Rich Man, which is way better) but Glass Onion has always been an easier listen than While My Guitar Gently Weeps for me, considering the latter lasts a full four minutes and it does not have enough good material to do so. It also has a wasted Eric Clapton feature, because the guitars on that track sound like s**t. Glass Onion is just the right amount of time it needs to convey its ideas, at least it isn’t trying to fool me into thinking it’s “deep & meaningful”.

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WMGGW is bad compared to the anthology version. Also this bracket should of had Piggies .

Completely 100% agree. I still feel the same about the lyrics and the chord progression, but at least it isn’t so bloated.

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Hurrumph! Well I like the chord progression on WMGGW *crosses arms stubbornly* 

But yeah in all seriousness I do like WMGGW’s chord progression– and the song itself isn’t really meant to be smooth but just sort of messy despair that these chords with the instrumentals, production, and George’s vocals really captures. The verses have a descending bass that conveys depression until we get to the bridge where we are uplifted into the more comfortable and harmonic bridge.  And I don’t find there to be an air of pretension at all in Harrison’s lyricism (and there’s no line that says “converted”– it’s just “I don’t know how you were diverted / you were perverted too / I don’t know how you were inverted / no one alerted you”, which is kind of some sort of Dylan-esque rhyme style) I don’t really think it’s supposed to be an “easy” listen either– it’s a piece that’s supposed to make you think and reflect, like all great art and poetry. A piece that’s supposed to make you think, to feel that despair and disappointment that George feels towards his life and humanity in those moments as he reflects on the rifts that had started to aggressively form between the band after they returned from India. In his lyrics, he explores the teachings of his spiritual commitment, but not in a “pretentious” way wherein he looks down on his target, but in a way wherein he’s just mourning the loss of humanity’s love and compassion. It’s sort of just an obituary, not an accusation. On the other hand, GO is just a bunch of cheap self-references basically utilized only to establish how “meta” Lennon is and only conveys Lennon’s distaste for rock conspiracy theories and people looking too deep into his and his band’s lyrics– yeah maybe it’s cool and funny because of Lennon’s snarky self-awareness, but to me, it’s just kind of lame. 

Eh but that’s just my own opinion mccartney-shrug_01_gif

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The debates are heated as we head to the elite eight!

Here is the next round

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I Am The Walrus vs. For No One

And Your Bird Can Sing vs. In My Life

Strawberry Fields Forever vs. Norwegian Wood

Dear Prudence vs. While My Guitar Gently Weeps

 

Its the first round where the full bracket will play all together I’m genuinely really excited for this one.

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Grrrr Twist And Shout lost… but more annoyingly, Glass Onion lost!!paul-mccartneypaul-mccartneypaul-mccartney

 

I Am The Walrus – as good as For No One is, I Am The Walrus has to win this one I think.

And Your Bird Can Sing , no contest.

Strawberry Fields Forever . NW is cool and all, but SFF is a masterpiece.

Dear Prudence . This one is hard. Not because I’m picking from 2 awesome songs, but because I’m picking from two songs that are ok, but nothing sepcial. I’m gonna have to go with Dear Prudence though, but it only wins by a hair.

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I’ve played each song again before casting my vote …

I Am The Walrus v For No One : For No One – This is so difficult! Lennon’s demented genius v McCartney’s pure classic melody. I love both songs but on this occasion, ‘For No One ‘ just about wins, though I won’t be sad if ‘I Am The Walrus ‘ goes through.

And Your Bird Can Sing v In My Life : In My Life – ‘And Your Bird Can Sing ‘ is great, catchy with fabulous singing and the classic double guitars, but ‘In My Life ‘ is just a pinnacle in The Beatles and George Martin’s career!

Strawberry Fields Forever v Norwegian Wood : Strawberry Fields Forever – Love both songs! ‘Norwegian Wood ‘ is innovative musically, with an intriguing story all wrapped up in less than 3 minutes, but ‘Strawberry Fields Forever ‘ is just brilliant from start to finish.

Dear Prudence v While My Guitar Gently Weeps : While My Guitar Gently Weeps – Is this really my favourite song on ‘The White Album ‘? It must be! Usually, I say that ‘Dear Prudence ‘, ‘While My Guitar Gently Weeps ‘ and ‘Happiness Is A Warm Gun ‘ are my favourites off this album, but I have now voted off ‘HIAWG’ and ‘DP’ in head to heads. Love the piano form Paul at the start, love Eric’s solo and George’s singing!

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I Am The Walrus vs. For No One

Well this is classic Lennon vs. McCartney. I Am The Walrus represents a lot of the ideas that made John’s music great and unique, and For No One is inseparable from its author as well, it contains a fair amount of emotion, and just the right amount of instrumentation as well. Even though I really appreciate what either is doing with their respective compositions, I’ll have to go with the one that is just a more rewarding listen and that generally goes to John. It is more ambitious, it feels bigger and even sonically it’s more experimental and it comes out great. For No One has a lot of value to it, and it is sort of experimental considering how minimal it is and how much contrast it holds to the rest of the songs on Revolver . But I Am The Walrus is an attempt at breaking a bigger wall and it succeeds, fewer people cite For No One on a regular basis when it comes to revolutionary songs.

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And Your Bird Can Sing vs. In My Life

I think And Your Bird Can Sing has melodies that are more cliché, as it resembles a lullaby. It is more convoluted with those ascending-descending guitars that George puts on the track. But I just think In My Life achieves a lot more with its simplicity than And Your Bird Can Sing does with its complexity. John really finds a way to make the vocal harmonies of his partners sound like instruments, and the chord progression behind the vocal melody really benefits for that. There are little bits of lyrics in And Your Bird Can Sing that feel unfinished from a composition standpoint, the bridge in the middle at times can be a little underwhelming, and when it comes to In My Life almost all of the song is captivating, there isn’t a line or a phrase that sounds unfinished or uncertain. And most of all, In My Life has a better ending. And Your Bird Can Sing ‘s final guitars have nothing on those falsetto vocals the band performs.

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Strawberry Fields Forever vs. Norwegian Wood

Out of the two I think Strawberry Fields Forever is a bigger artistic leap for John. Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) is a minimalist masterpiece, with some great arrangements, and a lot of gentle genius in the structuring of the lyrics. But Strawberry Fields Forever is the ultimate studio song. You can’t argue an acoustic ballad against the most diverse psychedelic song of 1967. He and the Beatles were creating other universes out of sounds. The amount of balls that the song has is what make it so appealing, even if it has more potential missteps than any song on Rubber Soul . Those parts in a way are what make it so attractive, how they didn’t care if they failed, as long as what they created was authentic, unique. You can hear the creative process happen before your ears. I just couldn’t see myself voting the other way around.

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Dear Prudence vs. While My Guitar Gently Weeps

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But yeah in all seriousness I do like WMGGW’s chord progression– and the song itself isn’t really meant to be smooth but just sort of messy despair that these chords with the instrumentals, production, and George’s vocals really captures.

Well, of course it is intended to be that way, otherwise he wouldn’t have changed it. But to me it’s a step down and it is only trying to bank in John’s knack for epic songs. George butchered While My Guitar Gently Weeps the moment he made it all about sound instead of composition. That piano sounds awful, the guitar solos are boring and stale, and with an instrumental like that, George’s vocals sound… minimal, like they aren’t enough.

The verses have a descending bass that conveys depression until we get to the bridge where we are uplifted into the more comfortable and harmonic bridge.  And I don’t find there to be an air of pretension at all in Harrison’s lyricism (and there’s no line that says “converted”– it’s just “I don’t know how you were diverted / you were perverted too / I don’t know how you were inverted / no one alerted you”, which is kind of some sort of Dylan-esque rhyme style) I don’t really think it’s supposed to be an “easy” listen either– it’s a piece that’s supposed to make you think and reflect, like all great art and poetry.

Comfortable? You find the major chord progression comfortable? It’s the most uncomfortable chord progression ever. The minor progression is decent, even though is cliché af, it’s acceptable, but those major chords are straight out bad, in the context of the song AND by themselves alone. On the other hand, I can’t focus on the man’s depiction of “spirituality” when he is TRYING to make his lyrics sound deep so much that he gets lost in the woods. I’m not saying he wasn’t trying to convey real feelings he had, but it’s just the execution that really ruined it. He made a two part harmony that at first seemed like sorrow and then, bringing an some acute performances, completely ruined whatever mood it might’ve had at first. Also, when he goes to falsetto, he just… sings badly, it sounds bad, his voice sounds bad. That is the problem with the chord progression. It’s unnecessary and ultimately ruins the mood of the song (if it wasn’t already ruined by the awful production).

A piece that’s supposed to make you think, to feel that despair and disappointment that George feels towards his life and humanity in those moments as he reflects on the rifts that had started to aggressively form between the band after they returned from India. In his lyrics, he explores the teachings of his spiritual commitment, but not in a “pretentious” way wherein he looks down on his target, but in a way wherein he’s just mourning the loss of humanity’s love and compassion. It’s sort of just an obituary, not an accusation.

And it fails. Something isn’t pretentious just because it’s condescending, something to me it’s pretentious when it doesn’t know how to transmit its ideas with other than cheap lines that mean nothing. George’s reflections just don’t make sense, the rhymes seem forced and don’t connect at all: “nobody told you, someone controlled you, you were inverted, you were diverted”. That is pretentious not because the feelings aren’t genuine, but because it is such a lazy way of portraying them. Stuff like your guitar gently weeping, “gently”?, come on, he is trying so hard.

On the other hand, GO is just a bunch of cheap self-references basically utilized only to establish how “meta” Lennon is and only conveys Lennon’s distaste for rock conspiracy theories and people looking too deep into his and his band’s lyrics– yeah maybe it’s cool and funny because of Lennon’s snarky self-awareness, but to me, it’s just kind of lame.

This was 1968. As lame as that would be today it was groundbreaking at its moment (as mostly anything Lennon did at the time) and it’s also the third song on the album, think about that. After the intro songs, John introduces the record by basically saying “now you’ve obsessed over all of our previous creations, we’ll give you some more, so forget about the old ones”. It’s kinda genius. And the lyrics are direct, understandable, and don’t expect me to invert my alerted divertion into pervertiona-hard-days-night-ringo-12 As I said, Glass Onion wouldn’t be my choice for a top bracket either, but it works way more. Primarily because it knows it can’t take it too far, which George certainly didn’t.

Eh but that’s just my own opinion mccartney-shrug_01_gif

Touché. If I have to defend the masterpiece that is Dear Prudence against this overrated piece of self-absorbed bollocks once more I would be kicking a dead horse. Just read all I’ve written for Dear Prudence up to now. It has more a million times more personality than While My Guitar Gently Weeps , better lyrics, better instrumental, it actually GOES SOMEWHERE instead of just standing in the same spot for almost 5 eternal minutes and the vocals, the instruments, the editing, the heart-felt emotion… everything is better.

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1. For No One – I am feeling in an emotional mood today so FNO wins

2. In My Life – Sheer brillance, AYBCS is nice but not a winner

3. Norwegian Wood – it’s in my top 5 for a reason

4. While My Guitar Gently Weeps – DP is gorgeous but WMGGW always wins!!!

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1. I Am The Walrus

I love For No One , and think it’s a wonderful piece of work, but nothing beats I Am The Walrus in terms of sheer psychedelic Beatley madness. 

2. In My Life

Gotta give a shoutout to the guitars on And Your Bird Can Sing , but In My Life has been one of my favourite Beatles songs ever since I first became a fan, so it’s a no brainer for me.

3. Strawberry Fields Forever

Their best song, in my opinion. The atmosphere this song creates is so otherworldly and beautiful. 

4. Dear Prudence

WMGGW is of course amazing, but Dear Prudence is one of the most beautiful things John ever wrote, from the drone-y fingerpicking to the absolutely triumphant peak of the song towards the end.

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