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15 December 2011
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It says (on the sleeve) thanks to Paul and Linda McCartney, Denny Laine, George Martin and Geoff Emerick for ‘All Those Years Ago'” And it says “Denny Laine appears courtesy of Warner Bros [I forget].”
Look, the bass would have been recorded when the song was recorded with Ringo. And Denny still thought, until mid 1981, that Tug Of War would be a Wings album. He appears on that album alot. The acrimony starts in 1981, when Paul announced (in returning to the Tug Of War project) that it would be a solo album, Denny said (essentially) f**k, and it ended. They would have been on speaking terms in December 1980/January 1981. Paul, after John’s death, put it aside. Then he took it up again as a solo album, probably for the better.

Why is George Martin thanked for ATYA, when he has no noted contribution (that I know of)?

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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mr. Sun king coming together said:

Why is George Martin thanked for ATYA, when he has no noted contribution (that I know of)?

The wiki entry mentioned by mmrm above first says…

The album’s liner notes also thank the Beatles’ producer George Martin and the Beatles’ engineer Geoff Emerick, although what contribution (if any) they made to the track is unclear.

That same entry goes on to list Sir George as one of the song’s producers. A Google search produced a list of websites that also say he was a co-producer of the song. I wasn’t there, so I can’t confirm or deny. 

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But again, the sleeve makes no mention of anything but what I quoted above. It doesn’t credit him with anything, even though if someone helped produce even one song, they’d still be credited. This is strange.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

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15 December 2011
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

 This is strange.

No – THIS is strange.

 

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Again, truly appreciate all this info, you guys – how truly ignorant I am about huge swaths of the post-breakup years!

After Christmas has come and gone, I've got me a whole lotta books to read.

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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Zig, why is a prop used by Sue Ann Nivens Considered strange? She once cooked that, you know.

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According to an Evening Standard article in 1981  (as quoted in The Beatles: The Dream Is Over by Keith Badman) Ringo and Paul recorded separate tapes and everything was then mixed in George Martin's studios. Which would account for the credit to George Martin.

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Vonbontee, hmmm perhaps I can make a suggestion…

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Von B – for the solo years I recommend John Blaney’s Lennon & McCartney: Together Alone and Simon Leng’s While My Guitar Gently Weeps : The Music Of George Harrison . They should furnish you with some good in-depth info on who did what on the post-Beatles songs. For a broader overview (not just the songs) the book Fab Four FAQ 2.0 is very good too.

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Thanks for the suggestions, i know there's a pile of good reading ahead, Peter Doggett's book being at the top of the theoretical pile

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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Doggett's book is great. I've read it twice.

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Hey Robert, haven't seen you for awhile!

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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been busy –  too busy for the Beatles – not good!

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Note: This isnt meant to be another ‘should the beatles have gotten back together’ thread, its more about Johns comments in Playboy and whats been written and said since his death.

 

Ive heard it be said that John was up for going back out on tour in 1981 and revisiting old Beatle tracks like I Want To Hold Your Hand and Help !. I’ve also heard it be said that John was up for meeting up with George, Paul and Ringo and doing something. However reading John’s comments during the September Playboy Interview he is very vocal when asked about playing together again

PLAYBOY: John, you’ve been asked this a thousand times, but why is it so unthinkable that the Beatles might get back together to make some music?

LENNON: Do you want to go back to high school? Why should I go back ten years to provide an illusion for you that I know does not exist? It cannot exist.

PLAYBOY: Then forget the illusion. What about just to make some great music again? Do you acknowledge that the Beatles made great music?

LENNON: Why should the Beatles give more? Didn’t they give everything on God ‘s earth for ten years? Didn’t they give themselves? You’re like the typical sort of love-hate fan who says, “Thank you for everything you did for us in the Sixties — would you just give me another shot? Just one more miracle?”

PLAYBOY: We’re not talking about miracles — just good music.

LENNON: When Rodgers worked with Hart and then worked with Hammerstein, do you think he should have stayed with one instead of working with the other? Should Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis have stayed together because I used to like them together? What is this game of doing things because other people want it? The whole Beatle idea was to do what you want, right? To take your own responsibility.

So is that reunion talk a normal media taking one part and spinning it in out of context such a way that you get complete drivel thing or was there anything more to it? Is there any evidence from John which says he was willing or thinking of meeting up with the others? I havent seen anything to suggest there is.

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I thought that Lennon agreed to work on what would become Anthology before he passed.  Would you happen to know what I was talking about MMM, or was that a rumor?  I wouldn’t know where to begin to find it so maybe you know better than I do. 

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I’d never heard that before just that John was looking to work the other 3 which seems so the opposite of what he was saying just 2 and but months before. Maybe the Double Fantasy sessions changed all that. Does anyone know anything? Maybe its a play on words and it wasnt a reunion but a meeting up like what happened with the Ringo album and Im The Greatest. Was the what become Ringo ‘Stop and Smell the Roses’ lp what was being looked at as common ground without the bullshit and pressure from the press and world?

 

The Beatles Anthology was lingering at that point (but known as The Long And Winding Road ) so maybe John was.

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John generally used to say a lot of things he felt at the moment. In other interviews he’s answered more positively to the idea of a Beatles reunion. So I don’t ignore what he sed on this interview but I don’t take for granted that he really meant what he said either. He probably wasn’t in that mood that paricular time for a reunion. You never know…

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Wasn’t all the “reunion” talk just to give himself a legal pretext for his opposition to “Beatlemania” continuing to perform?

Paul: Yeah well… first of all, we’re bringing out a ‘Stamp Out Detroit’ campaign.

         

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Von Bontee said
Wasn’t all the “reunion” talk just to give himself a legal pretext for his opposition to “Beatlemania” continuing to perform?

I literally just read that in “You Never Give Me Your Money “.

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linkjws said

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Wasn’t all the “reunion” talk just to give himself a legal pretext for his opposition to “Beatlemania” continuing to perform?

I literally just read that in “You Never Give Me Your Money “.

That certainly rings a bell. But who is the reference point (i dont own the book, i borrowed it from the library)? If true it would therefore appear even more the case that John was not in favour of returning to the fold (so to speak). 

As I Me Mine said John was one for speaking his mind at the time but it could change depending on where he was.

 

I suppose it comes down to source and who you believe. Did John ever state on record he was going to go out on tour and do beatle numbers of was it someone who ‘heard’ him say it? Was it Jack Douglas who said John was going to tour again i forget?

Its more taking it back to the core but again who do you believe and where do you draw the line.

 

Obviously we’ll never really know but it would be nice to get to the facts and eliminate the hearsay, gossip, and lines spun to preserve the idea that the Beatles would reunite and save the world.

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