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8 November 2012
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DrBeatle said
parlance said
George Martin has said that one of his biggest mistakes was giving in to pressure to release those as a single.parlance
IIRC corectly the band were a bit against it, too, but it was Brian’s decision to put it out.
Reading the article on this very site… interesting, I wasn’t aware that Brian had that much power over single releases.
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Offline I would imagine that there would also have been a lot of pressure from high-up EMI executives for something since it had been 5, 6 months since Revolver & the Yellow Submarine /Eleanor Rigby single and Brian was a very accommodating guy plus he did worry about the Beatles popularity waning. Add it all up and you get one of the best singles ever released.
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8 November 2012
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he did worry about the Beatles popularity waning.
I wasn’t alive then, so it always amazes me to think there was a time when that was a legitimate concern.
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Also, it should be said, Sgt. Pepper may not exist were it not for those two tracks being hived off. Their original idea for the album was for it to be something reflecting back on Liverpool. They recognised as soon as they lost those two tracks that they had lost the central tracks they had for that idea, hence the birth of Sgt. Pepper ‘s Lonely Hearts Club Band.
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Offline “I used to think of no one else but you were just the same,” works, but why isn’t it “But you were not the same?”…wouldn’t that make more sense?
Having said that, I love the verse with the tides of time/tides turning/I was blind rhymes and alliteration.
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bikelock28 said
What Goes On :“I used to think of no one else but you were just the same,” works, but why isn’t it “But you were not the same?”…wouldn’t that make more sense?
Having said that, I love the verse with the tides of time/tides turning/I was blind rhymes and alliteration.
Ive always taken that line to mean that the singer, in this case Ringo, was always thinking about the girl but she was so self-obsessed and only thought about herself as well, hence the next line “you never even thought of me as someone with a name”. its a really cool play on words. I love What Goes On , one of my fave Beatles songs, not just on Rubber Soul .
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Offline meanmistermustard said, “I love What Goes On , one of my fave Beatles songs, not just on Rubber Soul “
It actually makes me feel better that some people like that song. I always thought of it as drivel and an embarrassment to what is one of the finest albums ever made.
Then again, I love “Dizzy Miss Lizzy ” – hated by most people on this forum. [I even like the ‘Beatles at the Hollywood Bowl’ version where McCartney alters his bass line]
Parlance said, “he [Brian] did worry about the Beatles popularity waning.
I wasn’t alive then, so it always amazes me to think there was a time when that was a legitimate concern.”
For sure!!! Everyone was saying the Beatles were finished!!!!! “They’ve run out of steam” “The competition’s now too great” etc…
“Penny Lane ” and “Strawberry FF” put a quick end to those rumors.
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For sure!!! Everyone was saying the Beatles were finished!!!!! “They’ve run out of steam” “The competition’s now too great” etc…“Penny Lane ” and “Strawberry FF” put a quick end to those rumors.
Yes, I just finished the Hunter Davies book, and having a resource that was written while the band was still together – but after the initial Beatlemania – gave me some perspective. The press were quick to declare them finished as soon as “Paperback Writer ,” according to Davies, didn’t hit No. 1 (I believe that’s a factual inaccuracy though). And I was surprised to read that the fanclub membership peaked in ’65.
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meanmistermustard said, “I love What Goes On , one of my fave Beatles songs, not just on Rubber Soul “It actually makes me feel better that some people like that song. I always thought of it as drivel and an embarrassment to what is one of the finest albums ever made.
Then again, I love “Dizzy Miss Lizzy ” – hated by most people on this forum. [I even like the ‘Beatles at the Hollywood Bowl’ version where McCartney alters his bass line]
I like Dizzy Miss Lizzy , its a great rock and roll song and there is a fantastic outfake out there that omits the lead vocal leaving just the backing track – so much fun. The problem is it doesnt work on Help ! as the tracklisting takes you to a place of complete relaxation as the album progresses thru to Yesterday and then suddenly youre blown awake – its like blasting heavy metal into a yoga class. The live takes are better in my opinion, the bbc track is so good.
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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
For sure!!! Everyone was saying the Beatles were finished!!!!! “They’ve run out of steam” “The competition’s now too great” etc…“Penny Lane ” and “Strawberry FF” put a quick end to those rumors.
Yes, I just finished the Hunter Davies book, and having a resource that was written while the band was still together – but after the initial Beatlemania – gave me some perspective. The press were quick to declare them finished as soon as “Paperback Writer ,” according to Davies, didn’t hit No. 1 (I believe that’s a factual inaccuracy though). And I was surprised to read that the fanclub membership peaked in ’65.
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I think Paperback Writer didnt debut at number 1 but climbed to the summit, maybe thats what Hunter meant.
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8 November 2012
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I think Paperback Writer didnt debut at number 1 but climbed to the summit, maybe thats what Hunter meant.
I thought that might be it too.
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14 October 2012
Offline Ive always taken that line to mean that the singer, in this case Ringo, was always thinking about the girl but she was so self-obsessed and only thought about herself as well, hence the next line “you never even thought of me as someone with a name”. its a really cool play on words. I love What Goes On , one of my fave Beatles songs, not just on Rubber Soul .
Ohhh, right, i get it…thanks for that. I agree, What Goes On is a great song, unexpected highlight of RS, definately my favourite Ringo number. 
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Offline meanmistermustard said, “I like Dizzy Miss Lizzy , its a great rock and roll song and there is a fantastic outfake out there that omits the lead vocal leaving just the backing track – so much fun. The problem is it doesnt work on Help ! as the tracklisting takes you to a place of complete relaxation as the album progresses thru to Yesterday and then suddenly youre blown awake – its like blasting heavy metal into a yoga class.”
Worked very nicely on Beatles VI!
Never had the benefit (or problem ) of listening to it in its ‘correct’ place on Help !.
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Agreed, it also works great on Rock And Roll Music and any other compilation or playlist, the placing of it in Help ! just kills it dead. There arent many times, i’d be struggling for 2, when they got it wrong when working out the tracklisting but Dizzy Miss Lizzy as the last track on Help ! is wrong. In truth it doesnt belong or fit on the album. Maybe they should have just bit the bullet and put on Yes It Is (not sure that would have worked but there arent many options from that period, folk will look at That Means A Lot , Wait or If You Got Trouble but there is no chance any would have been options).
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18 November 2011
Offline I actually like “Dizzy Miss Lizzy ” closing out Help !
I consider Help ! to be the last vestiges of the early Beatlemania era, and it’s inclusion as the final track acts like a nice send-off to the old “rock and roll” days. A nice bit of nostalgia before moving onto bigger things in the next two albums. I find that “Run For Your Life ” serves a similar function on Rubber Soul , for the group’s folky country & western stuff.
Back to the topic at hand, I REALLY wish that they’d left one of the instrumental breaks in “I’m Looking Through You “. They get a nice groove going on the Anthology 2 version.
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I really wish they’d left John and George’s harmony on “Can’t Buy Me Love “. I love the final version, but I think the harmony gives the song a lot more soul.
I wish they’d kept those too. I also wish they’d kept the “anybody got a bit of money” thing on Taxman . And the guitar in And Your Bird Can Sing
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