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The Measure of a Maniac: How many Beatles songs have I never listened to?
9 August 2013
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I find it ridiculous that anyone is listing unreleased songs and Tony Sheridan rarities at all, when it would seem that a large number of members can’t even be bothered to listen to the first 4 albums.

E is for 'Ergent'.

9 August 2013
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I would say that in some ways that is the measure of a fan – you appreciate and have such a high regard for an artist that you would pay them the compliment of listening to all their work and then assess each piece on it’s worth, without mindlessly believing that everything they do is gold-plated genius.  I can’t think of any artist, about whom I could say, I love all their work.

There is much in the Beatles early catalogue that I don’t really go for but I often listen to all the albums,  in order,  from go to whoa because I love the journey.

 

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9 August 2013
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SatanHimself said I find it ridiculous that anyone is listing unreleased songs and Tony Sheridan rarities at all, when it would seem that a large number of members can’t even be bothered to listen to the first 4 albums.

 The Tony Sheridan material is actually good material if/when you get past the issue of the Beatles being a backing band for most of it. I love Why (Cant You Love Me Again).

There is a difference between not listening to at all and not liking. I can understand why someone might not like the early stuff but at least give them ago, its not like they’re unlistenable. If you want unlistenable Beatles heres a jam with Yoko (and even with that if someone would remove the screeching vocal it might not be too bad). Its no surprise no one wanted to trawl thru the Get Back material when there is a load of this.

  

 

 

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9 August 2013
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No idea if it was that exact demo as we have numberous demos of Real Love and I think Free As A Bird but that’s the right song. Wasn’t there also speculation of a Beatlised Grow Old With Me that never saw the light of overdubs until George Martin’s for Johns solo Anthology box?

 

Zig, im a huge fan of the rockabilly Everybody’s Trying To Be My Baby and Honey Don’t , twos songs usually derided but I enjoy both a heck of a lot. As for Beatles For Sale i’d have the opening five tracks as the best opening sequence to any Beatles album, just a shame the next three aren’t that great.

 

I didn’t have a clue about the order of songs on that album, but for some reason I just knew which 3 songs you meant.

 

Hmm, have never heard Grow Old With Me either.

9 August 2013
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Jesus Christ that jam is god awful! And what on earth is she screaming? ”John”?

I think that it wouldn’t sound too bad if you’d take away Yoko, indeed.

9 August 2013
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Now come on, how do you know that’s “unlistenable” unless you listened to it? And if you DO listen to, it’s obviously NOT unlistenable!

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9 August 2013
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A piano demo of GOWM was officially released on Milk And Honey in ’84 and I think it was the same demo that George Martin overdubbed and was released on the 1998 Lennon Anthology. I presume an alternate demo would have been used by the Threetles for the third Beatles anthology as others do exist.

Its a great song and would have been fascinating to see how John would have recorded it in the studio, sadly he never got the chance.

Grow Old With Me  from Milk And Honey  

George Martin Overdubs

Alternate Guitar Demo  

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9 August 2013
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Really like that one too! Now you see I don’t know that much lol.

No, but it’s a great song. I also like George M’s orchestration, it makes it more emotional or something.

9 August 2013
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Personally I prefer George Martins work on Grow Old With Me to what he did on While My Guitar Gently Weeps . The WMGGW’s take is stunning in its simplicity and bareness, easily matching the greatness of the official White Album version whilst being so vastly different, whereas GOWM whilst being a fantastic song is clearly a work-in progress demo that John would have gotten around to in ’81.

In other words I find there is a place for the orchestration on GOWM but it unnecessary on WMGGW

If that makes any sense, I know what I mean.

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11 August 2013
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It makes sense to me and I agree to some extent. It wasn’t completely necessary to add it to WMGGW, but I don’t think it makes it bad. It’s just different and I like both. Or all three. 

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Thanks MMM – that’s a great song and the orchestration is so gentle and poignant.  Would have been so good to hear the result of John’s further work on it in the studio, if only…….

I agree WMGGW didn’t need the GM orchestration but I like the result. The ‘unorchestrated’ version is breath-taking, must be one of the most heart-achingly beautiful recordings I’ve ever heard.

I may not have this quite right (!) but I believe Olivia was reluctant to let that recording be used for  Love as she felt it was too delicate to translate well in the Cirque de Soleil environment. GM assured her that they could make it work and his orchestration was part of doing that.

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4 December 2013
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The only songs I haven’t heard are the songs on the Long Tall Sally  EP and Magical Mystery Tour  Double EP (except I’ve heard I Am The Walrus ) Anything glaringly missing from my hearing?

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4 December 2013
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I’d ask whether you have Past Masters compilation? If you have that you’ve heard the Long Tall Sally  EP, if you don’t have that yet then there’s probably more tracks you haven’t heard than you think, as it collects everything that didn’t appear on an original UK album (apart from the tracks that appeared on the American Magical Mystery Tour  compilation. I’d also highly recommend the first Live At The BBC  if you don’t have it yet as it includes 30 tracks never recorded for EMI.

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5 December 2013
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Well, I have on CD and Hey Jude  on vinyl. So that takes care of the A sides, and Hey Jude  has Old Brown Shoe , Revolution , Don’t Let Me Down , and Rain . I listened to Strawberry Fields Forever on YouTube because I had to hear it. So that’s a few more. You’re right, though there are some B sides I haven’t heard as well. I’ll check out Live At The BBC I’ve been meaning to for a while.

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5 December 2013
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What’s incredible is that this forum made me think of some more music, so I went and looked thorough my dad’s record collection, (I already had a few, but we believed some to have been stolen when my dad was in college) And what should I find, but Rock N Roll Music, The Blue Album , and Sgt. Pepper ‘s. So, I’ve got at least part of Long Tall Sally   and Magical Mystery Tour  now. I’m happy about that.

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5 December 2013
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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
What’s incredible is that this forum made me think of some more music, so I went and looked thorough my dad’s record collection, (I already had a few, but we believed some to have been stolen when my dad was in college) And what should I find, but Rock N Roll Music, The Blue Album , and Sgt. Pepper ‘s. So, I’ve got at least part of Long Tall Sally   and Magical Mystery Tour  now. I’m happy about that.

Hate those robberies.  When we moved into our current house around 8 years ago we had stuff in our car overnight – some idiot smashed the windows and stole the boxes.  Then, a week or so after moving in we had a burglary and more stuff got stolen, some of it had been unpacked, some boxes got stolen.

To this day, when I can’t find stuff, I’m not sure of it is just in the garage or was some of the stuff that got stolen.  So maybe those Lennon books I think are in the garage are completely missing.

Anyway, great find on those albums.

 

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5 December 2013
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Ive listened to pretty much all the official released songs, BBC, and Star Club songs. I’m a sucker for unreleased material. So I pretty much listened to as many Outtakes as I can and other unreleased stuff. However I had not listen to the Tony Sheridan tracks other than the ones on the Anthology 1 and the majority of Get Back Sessions. 

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
What’s incredible is that this forum made me think of some more music, so I went and looked thorough my dad’s record collection, (I already had a few, but we believed some to have been stolen when my dad was in college) And what should I find, but Rock N Roll Music, The Blue Album , and Sgt. Pepper ‘s. So, I’ve got at least part of Long Tall Sally   and Magical Mystery Tour  now. I’m happy about that.

Great finds.

All of the Long Tall Sally EP (Long Tall Sally , I Call Your Name , Slow Down , Matchbox ) is on Rock And Roll Music Volume 1, or if you have the double LP sides 1 & 2, so if you have that then you have all four tracks.

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Linde said
Jesus Christ that jam is god awful! And what on earth is she screaming? ”John”?

I think that it wouldn’t sound too bad if you’d take away Yoko, indeed.

And I still have to listen to the two John and Yoko CDs I have, as well as the ‘bonus’ CD from New York City – sigh.

When you think about all the great musicians the Beatles could have jammed / recorded with ………

 

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meanmistermustard said
Great finds.

All of the Long Tall Sally EP (Long Tall Sally , I Call Your Name , Slow Down , Matchbox ) is on Rock And Roll Music Volume 1, or if you have the double LP sides 1 & 2, so if you have that then you have all four tracks.

Yeah, I found the double LP. Liked the Long Tall Sally  songs alright. Not a huge fan of The Fool On The Hill , liked Magical Mystery Tour , and of course I Am The Walrus .

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