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27 November 2016
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I usually say it is everything on the 2009 remasters. GM tracks on YS included, but no FAAB or RL.
It’s funny how I seem to be in the minority with excluding FAAB and RL…
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23 July 2016
Offline The Hole Got Fixed said
I usually say it is everything on the 2009 remasters. GM tracks on YS included, but no FAAB or RL.It’s funny how I seem to be in the minority with excluding FAAB and RL…
The reason so many people consider FAAB and RL to be canon is because they were the 2 songs to get The Beatles to reunite.
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27 November 2016
Offline Then why weren’t they included as extra on the 2009 remasters?
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14 June 2016
Offline @The Hole Got Fixed said
Then why weren’t they included as extra on the 2009 remasters?
They were on Anthology which was compilation itself. If they included those songs they’d have to include the rest of the Anthology as well, and that’s too many discs in one package. Apple can’t let you buy everything at a lower price, they have to sell it all separately. I mean how else are they supposed to make money.
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17 December 2012
Offline I wouldn’t include the YS GM tracks. @The Hole Got Fixed, as though included on a Beatles album, they are credited to the George Martin Orchestra and not The Beatles on that album.
Otherwise, agree totally on the dividing line.
Four breathing Beatles, it’s a Beatles record even if they don’t totally agree. Once it’s only three breathing Beatles, there can be a virtual Beatles, but never will The Beatles stand again.
They were. They fell. Whatever’s dated after, that groups last effort was made early January (2nd? Can’t be bothered to check) 1970.
Every Beatle breathing to me is the definition.
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Whatever’s dated after, that groups last effort was made early January (2nd? Can’t be bothered to check) 1970.
January 3rd.
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11.26pm
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27 November 2016
Offline Ron Nasty said
I wouldn’t include the YS GM tracks. The Hole Got Fixed, as though included on a Beatles album, they are credited to the George Martin Orchestra and not The Beatles on that album.
You’re right – I thought they were credited to the Beatles as well as GM. My definitions have changed.
Whatever’s dated after, that groups last effort was made early January (2nd? Can’t be bothered to check) 1970.
Necko is right, but there were numerous overdubs for I Me Mine done on January 4 (though I think John wasn’t present for them, but I could be wrong)
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14 June 2016
Offline @The Hole Got Fixed said
I usually say it is everything on the 2009 remasters. GM tracks on YS included,
I just now thought of this, but if you count the GM tracks on YS, then you have to count the instrumental tracks on the A Hard Day’s Night , and Help soundtracks as well.
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27 November 2016
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11 November 2010
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Whatever’s dated after, that groups last effort was made early January (2nd? Can’t be bothered to check) 1970.
Necko is right, but there were numerous overdubs for I Me Mine done on January 4 (though I think John wasn’t present for them, but I could be wrong)
John quit the band in August 1969.
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27 November 2016
Offline Then why was he present for numerous recording sessions after that date?
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@Necko said
John quit the band in August 1969.
Following Ringo in August 1968, and George in January 1969. Until someone went public that the dream was over, it wasn’t, and it was Paul who went public…
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27 March 2015
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Except Ringo and George both came back, whereas John left the band completely and by doing so, basically ended the Beatles. The fact that he did participate in a few more recording sessions after that, doesn’t change that he had distanced himself from the group.
Also, Paul didn’t technically announce the end of the Beatles, he announced he quit and wasn’t going to be going to be a part of the Lennon/McCartney songwriting partnership anymore. There’s a good chance he wouldn’t even have done that if it hadn’t been for that shitty letter Ringo delivered on John and George’s behalf.
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17 December 2012
Offline Don’t get me wrong, @Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^<, I’m not criticising Paul.
I’m just pointing out that until one of them went public, the possibility of finding a way back existed.
Nor can Paul’s lawsuit at the end of 1970 be ignored. His self-interview may only have said he couldn’t see himself working with the other Beatles again, and nothing about him saying he was leaving meant the others couldn’t continue as The Beatles without him, his lawsuit was about him realising the only way for him to leave the group was to have the partnership legally broken up.
These aren’t criticisms, just comments on the path that was taken.
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8.21am
27 March 2015
Offline Sure, the lawsuit was the final nail, but you know as well as everyone else that he had no other option. It was either that, or watch Allen Klein rob them blind. Even the other Beatles acknowledged that it was the right thing to do. I don’t think there ever was a way back, though. Whether Paul had gone public or not, the Beatles were through. They had been for quite a long time, even before John announced his departure…
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8.42am
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17 December 2012
Offline I tend to agree they were through.
The Klein/Eastman divide between Paul and the others was unresolvable.
However, had they found a way to ignore being Beatles for a year or two, to just get on with their own lives and take the time to breathe… who knows? They may have become the first group to have parallel group and solo careers.
Like any marriage that hits rocky waters and ends up in the courts though, the divorce would dominate the years ahead and divide them.
There’s not always wrongs and rights, just different sides of the story.
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8.57am
27 March 2015
Offline Even if they had decided to take a break, I seriously doubt John would have ever gone back. The pride he once had for the music they made had been so thoroughly stripped away by Yoko, I’m afraid he wouldn’t have been able to get that back. I know some forumpudlians won’t agree with me, but I do think her disdain for the Beatles would have always been too big an object to overcome. I know John did want to reunite, and I know steps were taken to make it possible. I doubt it ever would have gotten anywhere, though. Even if they had, there’s a good chance it would have been a disappointment for everyone. They’d grown up, and grown apart so much in a few years, they might never have been able to get that chemistry back. Sadly, we’ll never know for sure…
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10.14am
19 October 2016
Offline I like to think that without that “self-interview” they might have gotten back together in some form, but the line had been drawn, making it much more difficult to even consider it, once the majority of the legal issues had been settled. It’s not hard to imagine “lost weekend” era John doing something with the others. And certainly had his life not been cut short as it was, there would have been infinite possibilities after 1980.
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18 April 2013
Offline All you have to do is hear “A Toot and a Snore in ’74” to know that a “lost weekend” John getting back with Paul wasn’t a good idea.
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2.08pm
19 October 2016
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All you have to do is hear “A Toot and a Snore in ’74” to know that a “lost weekend” John getting back with Paul wasn’t a good idea.
Undoubtedly true, but if they had actually made a sober and serious attempt at a reunion of some kind, maybe it would have been more productive.
All of this is speculation and fantasy, of course…
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