2.15am
7 November 2022
I realize my topic is blasphemy — how can you improve perfection? There are a few small instances in Beatles songs where I think it could be improved with a more or less minor tweak.
Or if not improved, at least offering a viable alternate version.
Example: the part in She Came In Through The Bathroom Window where Paul sings “Sundays on the phone to Mondays, Mondays on the phone to me”
The first half is G to A7 to Dm leading to a descant from C-B-A back to G for the second half. I recommend instead of returning to G, it should go down to one half-step above G, G#, and the melody reflects a half-step key transposition up.
I don’t know if this transposition up should remain or be resolved back down — if not resolved that would mean the song would have 3 key changes, including at the very end, since there are 3 times that phrase is sung as the last part of the chorus; but hey, why not?
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7.53pm
30 December 2022
Sea Belt said
Example: the part in She Came In Through The Bathroom Window where Paul sings “Sundays on the phone to Mondays, Mondays on the phone to me”
The first half is G to A7 to Dm leading to a descant from C-B-A back to G for the second half. I recommend instead of returning to G, it should go down to one half-step above G, G#, and the melody reflects a half-step key transposition up.
I don’t know if this transposition up should remain or be resolved back down — if not resolved that would mean the song would have 3 key changes, including at the very end, since there are 3 times that phrase is sung as the last part of the chorus; but hey, why not?
I played through the original way and your way to myself. I disagree I like the original way.
Time for my contribution:
the song i would improve is Because . I believe when “love is old love is new” and the french horn comes in they should keep that uplifting happy tone. Even though the majority of the song is in Db Major it sounds minor (to me at least) because of the melody. it sounds happy when they sing that line. they should keep that feeling for the remainder of the song. it would just make it so much better
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Neely said
the song i would improve is Because . I believe when “love is old love is new” and the french horn comes in
That’s actually the Moog! No French horn.
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7 November 2022
Neely said
Sea Belt said
Example: the part in She Came In Through The Bathroom Window where Paul sings “Sundays on the phone to Mondays, Mondays on the phone to me”
The first half is G to A7 to Dm leading to a descant from C-B-A back to G for the second half. I recommend instead of returning to G, it should go down to one half-step above G, G#, and the melody reflects a half-step key transposition up.
I don’t know if this transposition up should remain or be resolved back down — if not resolved that would mean the song would have 3 key changes, including at the very end, since there are 3 times that phrase is sung as the last part of the chorus; but hey, why not?
I played through the original way and your way to myself. I disagree I like the original way.
Time for my contribution:
the song i would improve is Because . I believe when “love is old love is new” and the french horn comes in they should keep that uplifting happy tone. Even though the majority of the song is in Db Major it sounds minor (to me at least) because of the melody. it sounds happy when they sing that line. they should keep that feeling for the remainder of the song. it would just make it so much better
that made no sense.
I like the original Bathroom Window too; I just think it would be better with that modulation. To me, a musician or band should just put out alternate versions of the same songs (sometimes they do). On your suggestion about Because , it would require a change to some degree of the melody which they are repeating from before the “french horn” interlude to the “sky is blue” part. I’d guess they are indeed switching from minor-to-major-back to minor — and that too would have to be changed. I’m not sure what that melody change + key change would be.
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11.04pm
30 December 2022
Sea Belt said
I like the original Bathroom Window too; I just think it would be better with that modulation. To me, a musician or band should just put out alternate versions of the same songs (sometimes they do). On your suggestion about Because , it would require a change to some degree of the melody which they are repeating from before the “french horn” interlude to the “sky is blue” part. I’d guess they are indeed switching from minor-to-major-back to minor — and that too would have to be changed. I’m not sure what that melody change + key change would be.
i just wish it went from minor to major. no back to minor. I am pretty sure it went to the parallel major key like how While My Guitar Gently Weeps does in the “i don’t know how” part
12.00am
7 November 2022
Neely said
Sea Belt said
I like the original Bathroom Window too; I just think it would be better with that modulation. To me, a musician or band should just put out alternate versions of the same songs (sometimes they do). On your suggestion about Because , it would require a change to some degree of the melody which they are repeating from before the “french horn” interlude to the “sky is blue” part. I’d guess they are indeed switching from minor-to-major-back to minor — and that too would have to be changed. I’m not sure what that melody change + key change would be.
i just wish it went from minor to major. no back to minor. I am pretty sure it went to the parallel major key like how While My Guitar Gently Weeps does in the “i don’t know how” part
If it became major, what would the chords and notes be, I wonder…? They’d have to be slightly different at least, but not too different.
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30 December 2022
Sea Belt said
If it became major, what would the chords and notes be, I wonder…? They’d have to be slightly different at least, but not too different.
you usually raise the 3rd to go from minor to major.
Cm chord is C, Eb, G
C chord is C, E, G
see, i raised the third scale degree one half step to make it major.
The slight difference i would assume is just that one half step.
i don’t know
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30 December 2022
I am back again for something I wish I could change. Hopefully I don’t make a fool of myself again.
In Lennon’s first song “Hello Little Girl ” they sing “girl” in the beginning with 2 notes. I wish it was 3 and they went up that scale a bit more than just 2 notes.
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7 November 2022
Neely said
Sea Belt said
If it became major, what would the chords and notes be, I wonder…? They’d have to be slightly different at least, but not too different.
you usually raise the 3rd to go from minor to major.
Cm chord is C, Eb, G
C chord is C, E, G
see, i raised the third scale degree one half step to make it major.
The slight difference i would assume is just that one half step.
i don’t know
One could replicate the melody but make sure to avoid any of the minor notes, so for example the “Because the sky is blue”, the “cause” hits the minor note of C#m (=Dbm) which is E, so I guess one would sing F natural at that point?
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30 December 2022
Sea Belt said
One could replicate the melody but make sure to avoid any of the minor notes, so for example the “Because the sky is blue”, the “cause” hits the minor note of C#m (=Dbm) which is E, so I guess one would sing F natural at that point?
Yeah because if you go up from E one half step that would be F. Which is the major note!
these are questions for my band director.
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7 November 2022
Neely said
Sea Belt said
One could replicate the melody but make sure to avoid any of the minor notes, so for example the “Because the sky is blue”, the “cause” hits the minor note of C#m (=Dbm) which is E, so I guess one would sing F natural at that point?
Yeah because if you go up from E one half step that would be F. Which is the major note!
these are questions for my band director.
I’ve been playing around with singing the “Because the sky is blue” part using C#major-D#major-G#sus7-G#sus (I added the sus chord), using that F natural note and seeing how the melody modifies itself slightly to accommodate the major chords. Interesting experiment. If they had done that or if someone does it now as a cover, I would also recommend continuing that Moog effect of French horns.
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If I had to say anything about improving Beatles songs (a sacrilegious topic!) I’d say perhaps have some songs longer. But the shortness of them is part of the charm too. Less is more.
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6 June 2016
Timothy said
If I had to say anything about improving Beatles songs (a sacrilegious topic!) I’d say perhaps have some songs longer. But the shortness of them is part of the charm too. Less is more.
One that I think it should have been definitely longer it’s Revolution 1 . More specifically, its coda shouldn’t have end so quickly IMHO. It interrupts a building rocker climax. Thankfully they learned that with the great I Want You.
As for the rest of the songs, it is very difficult to improve on any of them (they were such a masters of their craft and in the studio). But in particular I always liked more the approach of the take 1 of AHDN rather than the released LP version. It was more raw and country, with better vocal hooks from John IMO.
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