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17 December 2012
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Another thought struck me about the “The Walrus was Paul” line in this, and depending on your view of it, it could turn the Walrus reference from a tip of the hat to a snarl.
John would later say about I Am The Walrus that he’d realised he’d chosen the wrong character from Carroll’s The Walrus and the Carpenter, that the Walrus was the capitalist barsteward shedding crocodile tears over his consumption of the oysters; that the Walrus was the baddie.
Now, John never said how soon he’d come to that view. Should he have had that thought before writing Glass Onion , and his relationship with Paul starting to break down, I’d suggest there’s the possibility that the reference is not quite as affectionate as often thought…
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Offline You’re telling me that John made up the walrus character from that stupid part from Alice In Wonderland, I knew the psychedelic Beatles were childish.
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5.23pm
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You’re telling me that John made up the walrus character from that stupid part from Alice In Wonderland, I knew the psychedelic Beatles were childish.
That doesn’t seem too out of character for John though
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27 March 2015
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Alice in Wonderland was John’s favourite book, so it makes perfect sense for him to reference it.
Re: the hints, this often irks me. So many people keep insisting on the clues, claiming the Beatles have intentionally put them there. But there are no clues. The hints don’t exist. There are only lyrics and photos, nothing more. The fans invented the hints. It’s easy to go through each record and each photo with a certain conspiracy in mind, looking for clues. Anything can become ‘evidence’ if you twist it around until it fits your narrative. That’s exactly why this PID thing is so frustrating: you can argue against it because everything can be used to embellish the story.
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Re: the hints, this often irks me. So many people keep insisting on the clues, claiming the Beatles have intentionally put them there. But there are no clues. The hints don’t exist. There are only lyrics and photos, nothing more. The fans invented the hints. It’s easy to go through each record and each photo with a certain conspiracy in mind, looking for clues. Anything can become ‘evidence’ if you twist it around until it fits your narrative. That’s exactly why this PID thing is so frustrating: you can argue against it because everything can be used to embellish the story.
I liken them finding connections and clues everywhere to somebody having a psychotic episode. Oftentimes when people are psychotic and having delusions, everything becomes something that further strengthens their beliefs that their delusions are indeed real. You can’t talk them out of it, either, because it is solidified in their mind as fact.
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2.01am
27 March 2015
Offline I don’t have enough experience with psychotic people to know how those episodes work, but I have often suspected that many conspiracy theorists have psychiatric issues. It certainly would explain a lot. They are so utterly deaf and blind to fact and reason; it’s frightening sometimes.
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9.13am
5 November 2011
Offline I always thought that the Paul Is Dead thing was a big joke and that nobody really believes it. They’re probably just joking about it.
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26 January 2017
Offline Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
I don’t have enough experience with psychotic people to know how those episodes work, but I have often suspected that many conspiracy theorists have psychiatric issues. It certainly would explain a lot. They are so utterly deaf and blind to fact and reason; it’s frightening sometimes.
How can you say for certain that none of it was intentional? This takes a great deal of credit away from the band for hiding these easter eggs in their music. Whether or not you believe Paul is dead (which I do not), somebody is automatically psychotic for thinking that maybe John Lennon was messing with his fans? Of course the theory was invented by theorists who were looking for clues in the music, but I don’t think its that far fetched that the band helped to propel their suspicions for fun.
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27 March 2015
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How, though? The PID rumour didn’t take off until October 1969. Abbey Road was released in September. So, how on Earth could John or any of the Beatles have added PID clues if the rumour didn’t exist yet? Had the hoax existed earlier, then sure, John would have loved to mess with people’s minds and I could easily see him adding clues. But the band had broken up before the hoax erupted, which makes it impossible for the Beatles to play into the hoax.
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I always thought that the Paul Is Dead thing was a big joke and that nobody really believes it. They’re probably just joking about it.
I wish they were. Sadly, many aren’t. There actually are people out there who truly, deeply believe this…
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2.23pm
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17 December 2012
Offline Can we please remember that we are asked to keep “Paul Is Dead” conversation to the appropriate thread? This is not the appropriate thread.
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2.56pm
27 March 2015
Offline Meh. It’s pretty closely connected. I doubt you can keep the two entirely separate. But sure, I’ll shut up about it. No problem.
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Offline @Ron Nasty said
Can we please remember that we are asked to keep “Paul Is Dead” conversation to the appropriate thread? This is not the appropriate thread.
The “Walrus was Paul” line has to do with PiD, so you can’t really help the bringing up of PiD here.
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Probably unintentional if so. I think a lot of that was pretty much random. I don’t even know that the ocean thing was meant to be anything…
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9.17pm
15 May 2015
Offline Richard said
The last three lines of Glass Onion are:“Fixing A Hole in the ocean
Trying to make a dovetail joint, yeah
Looking through a Glass Onion .”The “Fixing A Hole ” reference is obvious, and “ocean” possibly relates to Yellow Submarine (or Julia ), but what about the line: “Trying to make a dovetail joint”? John Lennon and his friend Pete Shotton attended Dovedale Primary School, and later George Harrison also went to the same school. So could “dovetail joint” be wordplay for “Dovedale joint”?
Or maybe he was saying “Dovedale” and whoever transcribed it for the album long ago got it wrong? Was a “dovetail joint” even a thing in 1968? Edit: Oh wait, a dovetail joint is a carpentry term (not that this clears up “Glass Onion “).
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Richard said
The last three lines of Glass Onion are:“Fixing A Hole in the ocean
Trying to make a dovetail joint, yeah
Looking through a Glass Onion .”The “Fixing A Hole ” reference is obvious, and “ocean” possibly relates to Yellow Submarine (or Julia ), but what about the line: “Trying to make a dovetail joint”? John Lennon and his friend Pete Shotton attended Dovedale Primary School, and later George Harrison also went to the same school. So could “dovetail joint” be wordplay for “Dovedale joint”?Or maybe he was saying “Dovedale” and whoever transcribed it for the album long ago got it wrong? Was a “dovetail joint” even a thing in 1968? Edit: Oh wait, a dovetail joint is a carpentry term (not that this clears up “Glass Onion “).
Maybe it does: I just saw Ron Nasty’s post way up above, where he mentions an inspiration of Lennon’s, the writer Lewis Carroll and his book The Walrus and the Carpenter.
The plot thickens…
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Offline Is there a definitive source for who played what bass on Glass Onion ? Lewisohn draws a blank on this one; I have heard it said it was George on the bass, which to my ears sounds like the Fender VI (compare the sound to Helter Skelter where John played it).
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27 November 2016
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The Beatles ran through 34 takes of the rhythm track on this day, the instrumentation being John on his Gibson acoustic guitar, George on his Fender Stratocaster, Paul on a newly acquired Fender Jazz Bass and Ringo playing, as Mal Evans mentions in the November 1968 edition of “The Beatles Monthly Book,” “two drum kits instead of one.”
I’d say that sounds right, a Jazz Bass with a pick and some EQ could sound like that.
Though from the same paragraph:
and Ringo playing, as Mal Evans mentions in the November 1968 edition of “The Beatles Monthly Book,” “two drum kits instead of one.” Ringo had just acquired a new drum set, a Ludwig Hollywood kit. “I knew we weren’t going to play live any more,” Ringo states in Andy Bakiuk’s book “Beatles Gear,” “and the others were getting different things to use in the studio, so I thought I would get a proper kit, real drums with real skin heads.” With this new drum set arriving in EMI Studios on this day, they decided to set both this new kit up along with his current black oyster pearl kit, creating a hyrid double-bass drum set for use on this song. “So we set them all up,” Ringo remembers, “and when I was to play the fill, the break came and I just froze, looking at all these drums!” When The Beatles started rehearsals in Twickenham Film Studios for what became the “Let It Be ” album, the new Ludwig Hollywood drum set alone was used from that point onward.
That’s the bit I can’t hear – I can hear two snares, but I can’t pick out two kicks.
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