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Ron Nasty said
And people often forget the early 1968 Peter Asher produced Paul Jones single And the Sun Will Shine/The Dog Presides, which predate Dear Prudence . The backing band was Jeff Beck on guitar, Paul Samwell-Smith (The Yardbirds) on bass, Nicky Hopkins on keyboards and Macca on drums:

  

Wow, amazing stuff! You can always discover something new after all these years. I never heard of this project!

The tom-fills on “And the sun” sound charmingly similar to the clumsy just-a-little-bit-out-of-time fills from Paul’s “Come And Get It ” demo AND some of the fills at the end of “Dear Prudence “. Still a good performance. “The dog” on the other hand sounds really tight, very good playing by Paul.

Paul also came up with the “Ticket To Ride ” groove in 65 and coached Ringo through his tom-fills on A Day In The Life in 67.

Not that I want to sound like I’d agree with John’s “Ringo wasn’t even the best drummer in The Beatles”. Ringo was obviously the most accomplished, versatile and precise drummer of them, duh! But he surely was surrounded by three wanne-be-drummers! “Anytime I got off the kit to get some tea one of them would get behind it” or so he said. And Paul was the most natural musician of them and probably the most eager, too, so he got better quite quickly and turned into a capable drummer in 68, obviously. And luckily this is nothing fans need to fan-tasize about – it’s all on tape.

It’s impossible to convince people who are so entitled to their opinion that they actively ignore facts and evidence that prove them wrong. But this discovery was definitely worth the try!

Kaniffee said

Forgive me if I missed something, but is there any evidence of when the overdub happened?  Couldn’t Paul have done the overdub before Ringo even came back?

  

They finished all recordings in August (without Ringo) and mixed it in October.

I scanned the page from the anniversary book (I never uploaded a picture here, let’s see how it works) – with all their meticulous research and recording details it’s completely IMPOSSIBLE that a later overdub by Ringo would go completely missing and unnoticed and unmentioned. Ah, ok, I just realized that I can’t upload it just like that. Will look for possible solutions to make it available to everyone who doesn’t own the book.

Right according to Lewisohn there are the additional singers and handclappers – but no Ringo.

Dear Prudence info

As I said, it’s ok and fun to imagine stuff. There are people who SERIOUSLY discuss and consider the matters of fake-Paul!

Paul seems to have been as sure and dominant about this certain drum part that it drove Ringo into a vacation (in the Howard Stern interview he didn’t mention Paul as the only reason, but that he didn’t feel comfortable with the whole situation). Paul never was seriously considering taking over the drums, but the others realized he wasn’t as good as Ringo – what a bizarre idea. Everyone just did about their business and they just pretended “Oh well, Ringo’s not here today”. Of course they were missing him and he was missing them and after some weeks he returned. Everybody as happy as it was possible at that time, and Paul had added two great drum parts to his resumee.

And while Ringo – just like George at times – was understandably frustrated with Paul’s dominant way of processing his ideas, he kept praising Paul in later years and said “We all need to thank Paul for these albums (Peppers and everything after it) – without him, none of them would have happened.” (check out his Howard Stern interviews).

It’s hard for some people to accept the truth and the facts and the evidence because they are driven by their anti-Paul agenda. That’s a bit sad, because on a Beatle-page it should be natural to treat all four members with the same respect.

The worst part is that this pointless bickering spoils the joy and fun of the music.

Billy Rhythm said

these “anti-Paul agenda” accusations are your own obscured interpretation of others simply stating their own opinions on “the facts and evidence” as they see it…  my very own “obscured interpretation” is that you take the “Complete” word out of your favourite Beatle Book far too literally when in reality it’s “literally” ‘Incompleat’…  there are glaring omissions everywhere and the mystery of who did the overdub for ‘Dear Prudence ‘ is no different…  it’s most understandable that a Paul guy/gal would steer attention away from his original drum track which effectively demonstrates his inability to deliver what the song needed…

They finished all recordings in August (without Ringo) and mixed it in October.Illgetyou said

second hand interpretation of another second hand interpretation of a paper trail…:-)

  

Dude, thanks to the vocabulary you use to describe Paul’s music and attributions there’s absolutely no need for “obscure interpretations” to understand your agenda – you lay it out for everyone to see, you’re at least honest and consequent about your opinion, I give you that!

And of course I totally understand you – If I didn’t even have a “paper trail” to support my claims I would probably make up crazy conspiracy theories, too. Looking forward to that book that “Paul guy/gal” is going to write one day and tell the tale!

I guess I wouldn’t blatantly ignore provided evidence, like several contemporary examples of Paul absolutely being able to deliver what the song needed on the drums (he later put that insane bass line on top of it), but I know that’s what you do, and that’s fine, I mean, everyone can see it and judge for themselves. And there’s lots of other anti-Paul people out there who are more than willing to believe anything that takes away any merit from him.

The beauty is: Nothing what you or I believe changes anything.

And if you like to make up some additional drama in your mind to spice up an already legendary song (I could play Lennon’s beautiful, beautiful guitar intro all day long, they were completing each other just so perfectly) and support your opinion of McCartney, that’s totally fine.

That’s why people make biopics with all the added drama and made up controversy, like “Bohemian Rhapsody” – reality often is too boring!