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Can we all agree … or not?
5 February 2014
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Mara said
How come that there’s no Let It Be Naked ?

For what?

If you mean why its not on the list of albums previously mentioned it is that it is not a core album (or part of the canon); ie released between 1962 and 1970, so Please Please Me thru to Let It Be (including the US LP Magical Mystery Tour which was adopted into the catalogue in 1987) or the compilation Past Masters which gathers together the remaining singles, ep tracks and oddities. Having all of these albums ensures you have all 212 (or whatever it is) songs that The Beatles released when together in the 60’s.

Albums such as Let It Be Naked, Anthology, Love etc are add-ons, great to have and necessary to complete your official Beatles collection of every released song and song variation but remain outside of the core albums.  

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5 February 2014
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4or5Magicians said
Mulling over my potential choices. Will request a spreadsheet when I’m further along.

You give every song a 1-10 score, so you’re not really choosing your favorites, you have to score all of them.

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5 February 2014
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meanmistermustard said

Mara said How come that there’s no Let It Be Naked ?

For what?
If you mean why its not on the list of albums previously mentioned it is that it is not a core album (or part of the canon); ie released between 1962 and 1970, so Please Please Me thru to Let It Be (including the US LP Magical Mystery Tour which was adopted into the catalogue in 1987) or the compilation Past Masters which gathers together the remaining singles, ep tracks and oddities. Having all of these albums ensures you have all 212 (or whatever it is) songs that The Beatles released when together in the 60’s.
Albums such as Let It Be Naked, Anthology, Love etc are add-ons, great to have and necessary to complete your official Beatles collection of every released song and song variation but remain outside of the core albums.  

 

Well … I don’t like the non-Naked versions. ;D And I don’t get why there’s Let it Be (Let it Be) and Let it Be (Single). I really don’t hear much of a difference between those two. Although, to be fair, it’s been a while . . . since I found the Naked version I gladly abandoned the others. Couldn’t we just say Let it Be in general? The same with other double listings. I don’t see much sense in giving the same score to basically the same song.

 

EDIT: And isn’t it also unnecessary to have Abbey Road Medley listed when the songs are listed on their own as well? Or am I just being an ignorant fan?

5 February 2014
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Yeah, only one will actually count in the rankings. If you only want to score one of them, just give both the same score.

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5 February 2014
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There must be a better way to do this. IJSAFo – we can probably embed Google Docs in the forum, but it might take a bit of trickery to get it working. Email me if you want to discuss.

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5 February 2014
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I think this is working OK, actually. Thanks though.

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I write web applications, so I could probably slap something together that would serve the purpose of letting people vote.

The thing is, based on the original question in the original post, I think we’re after a more binary, on/off, yes/no sort of poll. I can almost guarantee that we won’t reach 100% agreement if we’re ranking each song on a scale, but what would be interesting (to me anyway) is to give each song a “Like it” and “Don’t like it” option.

As was mentioned, some of the songs that appeared on the “Underrated” thread also appear on the “Worst Songs” thread. I wonder if any songs, and which ones, would survive a Yes/No vote with 100% agreement, all “Yes” votes and not a single vote against?

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6 February 2014
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PeterWeatherby said
I write web applications, so I could probably slap something together that would serve the purpose of letting people vote.

The thing is, based on the original question in the original post, I think we’re after a more binary, on/off, yes/no sort of poll. I can almost guarantee that we won’t reach 100% agreement if we’re ranking each song on a scale, but what would be interesting (to me anyway) is to give each song a “Like it” and “Don’t like it” option.

As was mentioned, some of the songs that appeared on the “Underrated” thread also appear on the “Worst Songs” thread. I wonder if any songs, and which ones, would survive a Yes/No vote with 100% agreement, all “Yes” votes and not a single vote against?

I’ve already got a system that’s working OK, I think. 

Are you going to vote?

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6 February 2014
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I’ve asked for a spreadsheet and will “give ‘er a go”.

I just don’t know how much I will help by voting every song a 10 except ‘Revolution 9 ‘.a-hard-days-night-paul-3

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6 February 2014
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I don’t think you’ll be giving “Wild Honey Pie ” a 10!

But I would be curious to know how, say, “Tell Me Why ” or “I Should Have Know Better” shake out in the rankings.

At the end of the day, we should be able to come up with a Beatles Bible Forum Top 100 – which boils down roughly to Top 50% and bottom 50%.

(If ivejustseenafaceo is statistically minded, he might even one day tell us which songs have ratings that are bunched together (suggesting uniformity of opinion on this Forum) vs songs with widely disparate scores. Why certain songs inspire both high and low scores could be an interesting discussion.)

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6 February 2014
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Once it’s done, I can do anything you guys want with the stats I have.

This is a forum project, remember, not just me. 

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Well, forcing myself to go through this exercise has helped me clarify which Beatles songs I like the most.  Out of all the ones on IJSAF’s list, the number of 10s (best, to me) came out to 32.  Meanwhile, the number of songs I ranked 9 came out to 52.  For my purposes here, anything lower than a 9 doesn’t really count, as I am only concerned to focus on the absolute cream of the cream.

It’s remarkable to have this many songs I like this much from any band or artist.  I had no idea I liked this many songs, so much.  I knew I liked a lot, but not this much.

Now my challenge would be to see if I can refine it further by ranking all my 10s into a “Top 32”, by forcing myself to pick a #1 (etc.).  Tentatively, I would anticipate that the #1 would be “Penny Lane “; yet some je ne sais quoi inside me resists taking the plunge… I mean, I don’t want to sacrifice any of the other 10s that way…

The following list is not entirely in alphabetical order, but is in clumps that are alphabetical (due to copy-pasting the Excel table into here):

 

The End

9

Help !

10

Norwegian Wood

10

Ticket To Ride

9

You Know My Name

10

Everybody’s Got…And My Monkey

10

Her Majesty

9

Nowhere Man

9

Sexy Sadie

9

Tomorrow Never Knows

9

You Never Give Me Your Money

10

Here Comes The Sun

9

Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da

10

Sgt. Pepper ‘s… Band

10

All My Loving

9

Fixing A Hole

9

Here, There, And Everywhere

9

Octopus’s Garden

9

Sgt. Pepper ‘s…(Reprise)

10

Two Of Us

10

All Together Now

10

Come Together

9

Oh! Darling

9

She Came In… Window

10

Your Mother Should Know

10

All You Need Is Love

10

The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill

9

The Fool On The Hill

9

You’re Going To Lose That Girl

9

For No One

9

She Said She Said

9

You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away

9

A Day In The Life

10

Lovely Rita

10

Abbey Road Medley

10

Day Tripper

9

Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds

10

She’s Leaving Home

9

Dear Prudence

9

I Am The Walrus

9

When I’m Sixty-Four

10

I’m So Tired

9

Magical Mystery Tour

9

Penny Lane

10

Something

9

Getting Better

9

In My Life

9

Martha My Dear

10

Strawberry Fields Forever

10

Girl

9

Sun King

10

Wild Honey Pie

9

Baby You’re A Rich Man

9

Glass Onion

9

Maxwell’s Silver Hammer

10

With A Little Help From My Friends

10

I Need You

9

Mean Mr. Mustard

10

Polythene Pam

10

Back In The USSR

9

Good Day Sunshine

9

Michelle

9

Good Morning Good Morning

10

Revolution (slow version)

10

The Ballad Of John And Yoko

9

I’ve Just Seen A Face

9

Yellow Submarine

9

Because

9

Got To Get You Into My Life

9

Julia

9

Mother Nature’s Son

9

Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite!

10

Drive My Car

9

Happiness Is A Warm Gun

9

Things We Said Today

9

Birthday

9

A Hard Day’s Night

9

Lady Madonna

10

The Night Before

9

Rocky Racoon

9

Blackbird

9

Eleanor Rigby

9

Hello Goodbye

10

I Will

10

 

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Wait , so are you actually sending the spreadsheet?

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7 February 2014
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I went back and altered my numbers, trying to be a bit more objective about some songs than just that i like them a whole lot more. So whilst No Reply is [one of] my favourite track(s) it can’t sit on the same mark as A Day In The Life . Otherwise, in my opinion, the numbering become skewed. 

That didn’t stop Hold Me Tight getting a higher mark however.

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meanmistermustard said
I went back and altered my numbers, trying to be a bit more objective about some songs than just that i like them a whole lot more. So whilst No Reply is [one of] my favourite track(s) it can’t sit on the same mark as A Day In The Life . Otherwise, in my opinion, the numbering become skewed. 

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. ‘Rain ‘ is my favorite, but does that mean it is the best? Could be; because it is awesome, but does it rank with ADITL?

This may be more thought provoking than I was ready for. It’s almost like jury duty. You think it will be easy until you suddenly realize that your opinion decides the fate of someone else. OK, a Beatles song poll is not as life altering as jury duty but you get my point.

Either way, this was a great idea and I am totally on board – should be fun.

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Zig said

meanmistermustard said
I went back and altered my numbers, trying to be a bit more objective about some songs than just that i like them a whole lot more. So whilst No Reply is [one of] my favourite track(s) it can’t sit on the same mark as A Day In The Life . Otherwise, in my opinion, the numbering become skewed. 

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. ‘Rain ‘ is my favorite, but does that mean it is the best? Could be; because it is awesome, but does it rank with ADITL?

This may be more thought provoking than I was ready for. It’s almost like jury duty. You think it will be easy until you suddenly realize that your opinion decides the fate of someone else. OK, a Beatles song poll is not as life altering as jury duty but you get my point…

I disagree.  I think a Beatles fan should do this exercise as impulsively as possible, just “go with your gut”, don’t think too hard about it.  Sort of like falling in love or knowing whom you love.

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^^  Yeah, that’s how I did. Mostly because of a lack of time to ponder each song for ages, but also because I think my first ”impulse” is the right one for me. Think about it too much and I’ll be changing them all.

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Yeah and then you’ll just stay busy, because your opinion keeps on changing.

I haven’t decided how I am going to do that. Maybe I will just give a mediocre song a 10, just because it’s one of my favourites, but maybe I will compare it to others.

I think I’ll start on it this evening. Seems like quite a hard task though.

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Zig said
I’ve asked for a spreadsheet and will “give ‘er a go”.

I just don’t know how much I will help by voting every song a 10 except ‘Revolution 9 ‘.a-hard-days-night-paul-3

That’s how I feel, but I guess I’ll have to be really objective. Ill compare them to each other… This’ll be fun, but so hard at the same time… a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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Glad to see everyone’s having the same issues.

The difficulty for me is the song whose importance i recognize even though I don’t personally care for it that much. (Example: “Tomorrow Never Knows ” and, for many on the Forum, “Yellow Submarine “). I address that by adding a couple of points to the score I would give solely based on my enjoyment.

Then there are songs that really put me in a great mood and/or bring back great memories even if I recognize their relative lack of merit when analyzed objectively (“Yellow Submarine ” “Tell Me Why ” “It Won’t Be Long ” “Hold Me Tight “…). There, I’m going with my gut and not deducting any points for lack of objective greatness…

Curious to know anyone else’s approach.

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