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You goofball, @Into the Sky with Diamonds. I vote “no” to Paul going quickly in a sticky way to get his rankings up.
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Offline “Well that brings up a good point: what does it take for a song to be considered a classic?”
Indeed @Into the Sky with Diamonds , I would consider Michelle a classic, but I just never thought of Fool in the same vein. It does have more cover versions than I thought but then many Beatles songs may be in that category as well.
Thanks for the interesting post, good reading.
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I had the Sérgio Mendes version of Fool stuck in my brain as a child, so I think that’s possibly a reason why I recognise it as a standard, but don’t really like the original that much. It lends itself so much to jazzy/soul/funky interpretations.
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Offline Although I didn’t get a chance to vote, I liked the list overall. I agree John and George were strongly represented at the top at the expense of Paul, but I disagree it is purely because Sir Paul is alive. His greatest songs (Penny Lane , Let it Be, Eleanor Rigby , Hey Jude ) have great gravitas and lasting power, but overall he just wasn’t the visionary that John was. Those great Paul songs came in very high in the poll, appropriately so.
Paul was clearly the best overall musician in the band, had a great sense for melody and arrangement, and could even write a great lyric, but there is nothing in Paul’s canon that compares , IMO, to just 3 songs from 1967: Strawberry Fields, I Am The Walrus (surprisingly ranked very low at 25), and A Day In The Life (partially Paul, but mostly a John song). And Lucy and Mr. Kite are no slouches either. And then, in just 2 years, John had changed completely and was doing Cold Turkey , then Plastic Ono Band and Instant Karma . Challenging, difficult and complex work, the work of a great artist. No matter how much I like Obladi and Good Day Sunshine , and I love both songs, they lack that spark. They are great pop songs, great standards, technically perfect, but still something separates them from Strawberry Fields. Thankfully, the poll appropriately ranked Walrus much higher than its pleasant but entirely lightweight A side, Hello Goodbye .
All the Beatles evolved, but from the beginning, John was always an innovator and that is why, IMHO, the BB members ranked his greatest songs so highly. And I do think Because and Dear Prudence belong high in the poll, maybe not so high. Both great John songs with amazing contributions by Paul. So they fed off each other, but John is appropriately lauded, and not just because of his early and untimely demise.
Also, George developed later as a songwriter, as he was younger than he others. His later work with the Beatles is phenomenal, and appropriately highly ranked. Most of All Things Must Pass should have been recorded by the Beatles, if John and Paul could have hung up their egos for a minute. Sour Milk Sea was a great song, tragically never properly recorded by the Beatles. If they had, that would have been in the top 50 of this poll, IMO.
If there is another poll, I and other newer members can have our say and we will see if things change.
Thanks @IveJustSeenAFaceo and @AhhhGirl and others for this poll, a very interesting exercise. Ranking Beatles songs is tough, because they are all so great!
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Thanks for chipping in your thoughts about the results, @A Serviceable Villain. I think RN and AD40 are close to having the new poll ready to go.
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Here’s the “why” about that … some people, like me, changed their user name sometime after makng their account. Unfortunately, the @ name doesn’t change.
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Offline Thanks, @Ahhh Girl , didn’t know that, now do.
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Lennon was a genius, no doubt – but I don’t see him as a visionary. A visionary consciously has a novel view of what the future could or should be. Henry Ford was a visionary as was Steve Jobs. In music you could point to Leo Fender, Les Paul, and Moog.
The Beatles (including Lennon) wrote about what came to their minds in approximately the style of the day (though much louder and much better).
You don’t hear people say, Lennon, what a ground-breaking guy: A Hard Day’s Night , If I Fell , etc….
So what happened in 1967? More powerful drugs! The inside of Lennon’s brain must have looked like one of those psychedelic posters. Dreamy. Colorful. Laid back. And the music reflected that: Strawberry Fields, Lucy in the sky, I Am The Walrus …
LSD may have messed up his personal life but it sure was great for his music!
Then came the painful break-up … with the drugs, and the deep self analysis, and you got … jagged hard-edged music: Cold Turkey
So yes, Lennon was a genius. (That’s another term often thrown around like it’s a little gold star. But Lennon was the real deal). Even in his day he was seen that way. And, yes, he introduced psychedelic music to the world. And yes, he gave the Beatles yet another dimension that kept them moving forward. (But he who giveth taketh away…) But ‘visionary’ I see as one accolade too many.
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This will remain the discussion thread for it.
“The Beatles Bible 2015 Canon Poll” will be followed, at the beginning of next year, by “The Beatles Bible 2016 Non-Canon Poll”.
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Offline I cannot wait for more discussions on what makes a song part of the cannon (and what the cannon actually is and who decides) and the repercussions such views have on the remaining excluded numbers. 
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Well, I’m terrible at choosing and drawing lines. So I’d be one of those people saying all song recorded by the Beatles should be considered part of the ‘canon’. Unlike many people here, I believe Free As A Bird and Real Love count a Beatles songs too. But like I said: I hate choosing.
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Offline I’ve been thinking about the the arguments over “canon” that we had last time. I think the problem came because the last poll was labeled as “ultimate” but didn’t include all of the songs. At least this time, there is no pretense of “ultimate” being thrown about. It is going to be just as prescribed; the defining limits are being stated up front.
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@meanmistermustard stood head in hand and turned to face the wall
I cannot wait for more discussions on what makes a song part of the cannon (and what the cannon actually is and who decides) and the repercussions such views have on the remaining excluded numbers.
Is there such a thread in existence? Or was this thread utilised (read: derailed)?
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Offline Ahhh Girl said
I’ve been thinking about the the arguments over “canon” that we had last time. I think the problem came because the last poll was labeled as “ultimate” but didn’t include all of the songs. At least this time, there is no pretense of “ultimate” being thrown about. It is going to be just as prescribed; the defining limits are being stated up front.
But who determines what those limits are and why are they set that way? Some folk see every single song ever released under the name Beatles from ‘That’ll Be The Day’ thru to ‘Real Love ‘ as being part of the canon whilst others view the canon as being everything released between ‘Love Me Do ‘ thru to ‘You Know My Name (Look Up The Number). Just because one person (or two) says this is the canon doesnt remove the potential for another to say “no its not”.
I’m not looking for an argument, just seeing the potential for another debate.
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@meanmistermustard stood head in hand and turned to face the wall
I cannot wait for more discussions on what makes a song part of the cannon (and what the cannon actually is and who decides) and the repercussions such views have on the remaining excluded numbers.Is there such a thread in existence? Or was this thread utilised (read: derailed)?
Here is the thread on that discussion but its also part of the thread you are in if you go back thru it.
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Offline Maybe we should take the word “canon” totally out of the picture and just say we are voting on these songs (then list them)… I’m just fishing for a way to stop the 
ache before it begins. If that is even possible.
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Offline Ahhh Girl said
Maybe we should take the word “canon” totally out of the picture and just say we are voting on these songs (then list them)… I’m just fishing for a way to stop theache before it begins. If that is even possible.
Agreed.
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Offline Oooo, @Joe and I used the words fish and fishing within 10 minutes of each other. I hadn’t seen his post in the Pet Peeves thread when I used it. Don’t know why this fascinates me. It just does.
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Offline Ahhh Girl said
Oooo, @Joe and I used the words fish and fishing within 10 minutes of each other. I hadn’t seen his post in the Pet Peeves thread when I used it. Don’t know why this fascinates me. It just does.
@Ahhh Girl, what has the above got to do with the conversation in this thread?
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Offline Oops, I meant to be writing that in impossible to derail. How did I get it here?
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Offline @Ahhh Girl said
Oops, I meant to be writing that in impossible to derail. How did I get it here?
That can be mod-ified 
yah yah so punny right?
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@Ahhh Girl said
Oops, I meant to be writing that in impossible to derail. How did I get it here?That can be mod-ified
yah yah so punny right?
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