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Father McKenzie said
Me personally, I think the Beatles laughed at all the rumours after a while, but deliberately left messages in the songs, clues on the album covers etc,to basically play along and have a bit of fun with it. The rumours also had a positive impact on their record sales as well, not that I imagine any of them were in any way struggling financially
But that would mean they themselves would have had to come up with PiD in 1966, spend the next roughly two-and-a-half years – during which time their relationships were increasingly strained – working on an elaborate hoax that runs through everything they do after quitting touring, and following AR they somehow set the rumour mill going…
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3.46pm
26 January 2017
Offline I believe were trying to toy with fans through songs like Glass Onion Revolution 9 or Sun King , however they weren’t at all tied to PID conspiracy until after the theory gained popularity and fans and theorists started drawing connections.
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27 March 2015
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Father McKenzie said
How would they have been able to do that, though? The PID rumour didn’t start until after Abbey Road was recorded and the cover photo had been taken. That first phone all from ‘Tom’ was shortly before the records was released but it didn’t gain momentum until after Abbey Road was in shops worldwide. The only record left to finish was Let It Be , and since John had already quit and the others barely got along, the chance of them having fun with the rumour is highly improbable.
As for Mal’s journals, I don’t know if he had a manuscript at all. There don’t really seem to be any credible sources to confirm its existence (though that has never stopped PID believers before). I do know some of his later journals, one from 1969 at least, have been found. In that, he describes the Abbey Road sessions and photo shoot, as well as his fear of losing his friendship with Paul which, to a normal person, should be enough to confirm Paul in 1969 was the same man Mal had known and loved for years. Mind you, the journal I’m referencing could be a fake. You never know anymore these days, do you?
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27 March 2015
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I believe were trying to toy with fans through songs like Glass Onion Revolution 9 or Sun King , however they weren’t at all tied to PID conspiracy until after the theory gained popularity and fans and theorists started drawing connections.
Glass Onion , yes. John has been clear about that: he was sick of their tunes being analysed to death, so he gave them something to analyse. But Sun King ? I don’t see anything in that, and Revolution 9 is just a piece of avant garde crap IMO; a sad example of Yoko’s influence on John which never should have ended up on vinyl (at least not on a Beatles release).
I enjoyed Peter Asher’s testimony in that mock trial. He was so very clear on how people saw clues where they didn’t exist, but also that this kind of hoax wasn’t the kind of joke the Beatles liked. I agree with that. Their sense of humour was very different. Maybe John would have enjoyed the idea of leaving some random things that would drive people mad trying to decypher them, but creating and maintaining a myth of that magnitude? There’s a reason they never repeated themselves: they would’ve got bored. Keeping up those clues for three years would have been too much like work, especially when the fans clearly didn’t see any clues before October 1969.
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2.23am
15 May 2015
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A sort of interesting speculation to indulge in is to assume, okay, Paul did die in a car crash and “they” found a Paul double — then wonder, why would the Beatles put all those clues in their songs? It would no longer be “for fun” (except in terms of grimly dark humor perhaps). Some PIDers speculate they did it to try to leak the truth out to the fans; but that doesn’t quite wash — for one thing, why would “they” (the nefarious powers that engineered the whole thing) allow the Beatles to do that?
I recently came up with a PID variation: Paul did die and was decapitated in a car crash back in 67, but some evil cabal of Satanists/Illuminatis who (of course) also control MI-5 etc. used their evil powers to sew his head back on and revive him, like a Paul Frankenstein monster (“Frankenpaul”), now with even better musical talent… If you look closely at post-1967 photos of Paul’s neck, you can see the stitch line….
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15 May 2015
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Another thing I’ve noticed about PID is that for the most part, they don’t mine the post-Beatles solo McCartney/Wings oeuvre for their “clues” — with one exception as far as I know, that “Billy Shears” “Biography”. Since that book’s conceit is that the New Paul was still in touch spiritually with the Dead Paul, who was (and still is, I guess) sort of continually inspiring him from beyond the grave, the writer has some clever ways of interpreting some Paul songs, like “Band On The Run ” —
Well the rain exploded with a mighty crash [it was raining on the night of Paul’s car crash]
as we fell into the Sun [play on the theological symbolism of “the Son” as the “Second Person” of the Trinity]
and the First One [Dead Paul] said to the Second One there [Faul]
I hope you’re having fun….
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4.44am
26 January 2017
Offline There are also a million John songs you could make up connections for.
“Whatever gets you through the night, its alright. Its your money or your life”
“I FOUND OUT!”
And of course How Do You Sleep is an infamous dis song but is never referenced by PID conspirators.
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9.58am
18 December 2017
Offline Those freaks was right when they said you was dead
This line from How Do You Sleep is a definite PID reference. It’s likely John was just being an a*****e, but maybe he was dead. Maybe John was just confirming it. HMMM.
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2.51pm
27 March 2015
Offline Well, in those days, Paul was dead. To John, at least. And in John’s opinion, he was artistically dead too. But what ‘those freaks’ always conveniently ignore is that John also mentions Yesterday so unless those PIDiots think “Faul” wrote that, it should be a clue for them that John is addressing the real Paul. Just like he did in ’76 when he said something along the lines of “you can’t keep showing up unannounced; it’s not 1956 [siic] anymore”. Why would he say that to someone who wasn’t around in the late fifties?
Then again, who needs logic?
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6.17pm
14 November 2017
Offline You all make great points. It’s weird how this rumour is the biggest load of bullshit ever,yet is so fascinating still to so many people. Mademoiselle Kitty’s post at 6:46am (English time 
) makes complete sense,but it’s still easy to see how people got caught up in the ‘clues’ thing, when you read through what these clues were supposed to be (even the Let It Be cover was supposedly a clue, Paul’s picture different from all the others,due to the red background,the red supposedly symbolising blood/death).
Think about the knighthood as well. Surely,if Paul were really dead, some kind of background check would have been performed, and ‘Faul’ would probably have been charged with fraud. How could they ever have kept something like that a complete secret, and also involve the Queen in their web of deceit? It just wouldn’t happen would it?
“Er, listen your Maj, I’m not Paul, I’m some guy who’s pretended to be him since 1966, so if I could ask you to play along, and keep up the lie, that’d be great. Cheers. Peace,love and all that jazz” (Cue Paul’s famous ‘thumbs up’ pose) 
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26 January 2017
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You all make great points. It’s weird how this rumour is the biggest load of bullshit ever,yet is so fascinating still to so many people. Mademoiselle Kitty’s post at 6:46am (English timeThink about the knighthood as well. Surely,if Paul were really dead, some kind of background check would have been performed, and ‘Faul’ would probably have been charged with fraud. How could they ever have kept something like that a complete secret, and also involve the Queen in their web of deceit? It just wouldn’t happen would it?
“Er, listen your Maj, I’m not Paul, I’m some guy who’s pretended to be him since 1966, so if I could ask you to play along, and keep up the lie, that’d be great. Cheers. Peace,love and all that jazz” (Cue Paul’s famous ‘thumbs up’ pose)
Many believe that the conspiracy was created by the British government to keep their golden boys together. Faul was given secret plastic surgery and grew out a mustache during Sgt. Pepper to cover up the scars, all under the orders of Her Majesty and MI6.
Any time someone uses a very clear and obvious counterpoint, theorists are armed with an elaborate explanation for why what you said means nothing. It is crazy.
I used to teach Rock N Roll club after school in highschool, and people were begging me to give a lesson about PID, and so I went over the basics and some of the more interesting clues and connections. Much to my woe, I’d convinced a couple of people that the theory was true, and found myself arguing with these people, countering points that I had made for them minutes earlier.
This is one reason I typically prefer to stay away from PID discussion in real life.
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8.48am
14 November 2017
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Also,you can see Paul has a black flower on his jacket, while the other 3 have red flowers. Paul said “I got a black flower because they’d ran out of red ones”. The rumour is that the flowers aren’t even real. The rumour is that the flowers were painted on to the jackets. So,if true,why would they single Paul out in this way?
Also,why has Paul got a hand over his head in a few of the album covers and inside the sleeves? (Inside the MMT booklet, and on the covers of both the Yellow Submarine and Sgt Pepper albums). 
There’s also the drum kit shot from the I Am The Walrus video,with Paul barefoot, and his shoes with the red stuff on them (presumably meant to be blood) off to the side (barefoot,like on Abbey Road later on). Also Ringo’s drum kit reads ‘love the 3 Beatles’. Everyone knows there’s 4, so why does it say 3?
As I say,I don’t believe he died,but the ‘clues’ are pretty convincing…….
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14 November 2017
Offline Here’s the drum kit photo:
This one is from the White Album . Why would a pair of ghostly hands be reaching out for Paul?
This is The Fool On The Hill . Notice the crack running through Paul’s head. This fits with the decapitation theory:
Just to be mischievous, here’s the Help album cover. This was released before Paul ‘died’. Paul is singled out here yet again though, as the only Beatle without a hat on:
This one is good. Turn it on it’s side, it looks like Paul is in a coffin:
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15 May 2015
Offline “Ringo’s drum kit reads ‘love the 3 Beatles’. Everyone knows there’s 4, so why does it say 3?”
Maybe to the other 3 beside him? But looking at the bass drum, I don’t see any “3”, I see a “2” — more fully:
“LOVE
2
The Beatles”
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3.06am
14 November 2017
Offline @Pineapple Records: hmmmm,you may have a point with that one,but what about the others I’ve posted here? Do you think there’s something in those,or do you think that it’s just coincidence?
Here’s more ‘clues’ from the PID thing:
Re the Abbey Road car clue: Paul would have been 27 at the time Abbey Road was released,but in some religions,they believe that you’re 1 year old as soon as you’re born, in which case,Paul would have been 28,and we know that the Beatles were interested in other cultures and religions. LMW is supposed to stand for ‘Linda McCartney weeps’. The story also goes that they tried to contact the owner of the car,so that they could move it out of shot,but weren’t able to. Interesting that the car is a white ‘Beetle’….
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14 November 2017
Offline @Pineapple Records: Here’s even more:
Yesterday and Today: even the album title is a clue (yesterday -Paul, today- Bill Campbell). Notice that Paul has a pair of teeth on his arm. The theory is that Paul’s body was so badly burnt after the accident that the only way he could be identified was through his dental records. In Revolution 9 ,John talks about going to see a surgeon, and he ‘gave him a pair of teeth,which wasn’t any good at all’. Also during the song,you can hear the sound of crackling flames, and someone saying ‘ahhhhh’ as though being burnt. Some people have also said that if you play the track backwards,you can hear someone saying ‘let me out’
Magical Mystery Tour : this is from when Ringo goes into the shop and gets his ticket from John. Look at where it says ‘the best way to go is by M&D co’. M&D company was apparently a funeral home in England.
Here’s the Oldies album cover. Look at the car driving towards the guy’s head. Again,this is another hint at the theory that Paul was decapitated in a car crash
You also have lyrics in songs like when Ringo sings “you were in a car crash, and you lost your hair”, “took her home, I nearly made it” from Lovely Rita (there was apparently a female passenger with him in the car) “you say goodbye (Paul) and I say hello” (Bill Campbell), “Here come old Flat top, he got hair down to his knees (hair continues to grow after death) Come Together ,right now,over me”, “declare the pennies on your eyes” from Taxman (in some countries, pennies are placed on the eyes of dead people before burial).
They can’t all be coincidences surely?
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Offline Yeah I’m aware of all of these clues here, plus there are literally a few sites dedicated to this myth and they post all of them. Some are more convincing than others as I said a bit back here on the topic, chilling, even and I do have some favorites. But all coincidence not purposeful, imho.
As far as the red bass drum head, It isn’t even a number that I can see… I mean you could MAKE it one, but it just looks like a little embellishment. It says LOVE THE BEATLES on it. And that MMT still? That’s a black boutonniere, perhaps a carnation… it’s not dead. 😉 Have no idea why he’d be the only one wearing a black flower, but they say they ran out of red ones, though how that could be possible I have no idea since they needed four and only got three…. LOL!
The “HELP!” cover I don’t count at all. I just discount everything before the alleged “death” in late 1966 since why in the heck would there be “clues” prior to that?
The hand over Paul’s head in several images… I think I read somewhere that was debunked, that it’s not a symbol of death at all. I can’t find anything in my Googling though about it.
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10 August 2011
Offline @Father McKenzie “It’s weird how this rumour is the biggest load of bullshit ever,yet is so fascinating still to so many people.”
Ahh, that applies to so many conspiracy theories…
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15 May 2015
Offline Thanks @Father Mckenzie, like Hippie Chick, I’ve seen most of these before, and I find most of them unpersuasive even of exciting curiosity, others interesting.
Also, there’s a tendency to barrage with a tissue of claims/possibilities, but when you examine each one, they appear flimsy. Example:
“Notice that Paul has a pair of teeth on his arm. The theory is that Paul’s body was so badly burnt after the accident that the only way he could be identified was through his dental records. In Revolution 9,John talks about going to see a surgeon, and he ‘gave him a pair of teeth,which wasn’t any good at all’. Also during the song,you can hear the sound of crackling flames, and someone saying ‘ahhhhh’ as though being burnt. Some people have also said that if you play the track backwards,you can hear someone saying ‘let me out'”
Well, what proof is there of this “theory” about Paul’s body being burnt? The crackling flames sound more like dusty static on old style vinyl records. The “ahhhh” might be that, but is it? What some people think is being said backwards isn’t necessarily what’s said, etc.
“the Oldies album cover. Look at the car driving towards the guy’s head.”
See, I don’t see the car “driving towards” anyone’s head there. It’s clearly “aimed” toward the Beatle sitting on that chair about the level of his waist, and that Beatle looks more like George.
The other “head” possibility — “This is The Fool On The Hill. Notice the crack running through Paul’s head. This fits with the decapitation theory”
It seems the crack should be red, not blue; also it’s up in his hair, not along the neck which would be a “decapitation” — unless his fatal accident only ruined his moptop… (actually, Scout’s Honor, one of the PID people I read argued that the line in “Don’t Pass Me By ” where Ringo sings “You were in a car crash and you lost your hair” is a reference to Paul’s “accident”!).
The main problem PID theories have is this stubborn Paul who has been bobbing his head, winking his eye, and playing great music for five decades now — so then the PIDers have to develop almost supernatural theories to explain this “second Paul”. Their attempts to “prove” that Paul is really “Faul” with photographic comparisons are not tenable to me (and often I can’t even see what the hell they’re talking about). The physiognomy of Paul is more unique than most people’s, and the Pre- and Post-67 McCartneys look too much alike for the second one to be credibly a different person.
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9.29am
14 November 2017
Offline @Pineapple Records: sorry for the late reply.
Thanks for your thoughts on all these. I thought they’d be good for a debate.
You’re right,there’s little proof over the fire thing,but among PIDers,the general consensus seems to be that he perished in a car accident, and the car caught fire. No one ever mentions ‘Rita’,the girl who was in the car with him. What became of her? Did she also die?
You’re right,the guy on ‘Oldies’ does look more like George. Could George have also died in the ’60’s, and the guy who died in 2001 was just ‘Forge’? I think we’ve uncovered another mystery! (While I’m talking about George,have you watched that ‘last will and testament of George Harrison ‘ film that was supposed to be about PID? The guy sounds nothing like George! His accent is horrendous (there were repeated mentions in the film of a policeman by the name of Maxwell. Maxwell’s Silver Hammer ?)
Here’s the passport photo of Paul from the White Album (which is meant to be Bill Campbell). 
There is a colour pic,which according to the site I’ve taken it from ‘is the only known photograph taken of Paul in the whole of 1966’. It’s worth a look anyway:
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