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The 'Paul is dead' myth
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Real Paul died in a car accident. Which Beatle was interested in cars? 

GEORGE!

I think George was out to murder Paul even earlier than that!

Meh, George is an amateur! Mike nearly managed to drown Paul when they were kids and they fell into a lime pit.

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Was everyone trying to kill Paul?

 

I can see why Paul in Pain is so popular

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Fine, I’ll give it another bash. But only because it started to Rain (I don’t mind… but I just washed my hair paul-mccartney)

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Firstly, that hearth is not 2 inches high. I’m a woman, I wear heels, I know the difference between one inch, 2, or even 5 (the latter being: very sore toes). That hearth is one inch at most.

Secondly, Paul is standing in front of it, ergo closer to the camera.

Thirdly, his weight is on his left leg, which is stretched, thus his height is not compromised by the bent knee of his right leg.

Fourthly, John and George don’t appear to be standing on the heart either, but rather in front of it. John appears to be leaning back, probably because we wouldn’t be able to see Ringo otherwise. Ringo, to me, seems to be the only one standing on it but because that puts him behind the others, it makes him appear even shorter than he is.

Did he shrink sometime during that photo shoot?

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Let’s put the Fabs side to side in a straight line, during the same period in time, shall we? Please tell me where those three inches went?

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Did they all get replaced during that photo shoot? Or, could it be that there was a riser there?

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Ringo seems the tallest in some of these. But really, can you honestly say this bloke isn’t Paul McCartney ?

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I have another picture that shows how long the hearth is, and all 3 standing on it. I will post it when I find it. It looks higher than one inch in both photos. You cannot see the feet of any of the 4 in the pics you posted. Paul is standing the farthest away from the camera. I can’t say it’s not Paul McCartney from one picture, but it shows what goes on to create an impression in the final published photo.

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When did Paul have his 3 inch growth spurt? That’s a 2 inch hearth they are standing on, Paul bending his knee, to make himself shorter, John stretching his neck to look taller. George looks taller because he is closer to the camera lens.

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Except, when you take a proper look at that picture you will see only Ringo is standing on the hearth. Look at the bottom of John’s legs, they are clearly further forward than Ringo’s feet, which are right on the edge of the hearth, and John is having to lean back a bit to get his arm around Ringo. Paul, John and George are all clearly standing on the floor, while Ringo, the shortest Beatle, is standing on the hearth.

If John was standing on the hearth, you would not be seeing the bottom of his trousers, but his feet alongside Ringo’s. That, my friend, is forensic analysis 101. Or perhaps you have another explanation for why John is standing on the hearth but his feet can’t be seen?

EDIT: And Paul is lifting his left leg, creating the bent knee. His right leg is ramrod straight. Were he to be attempting to make himself look shorter, BOTH KNEES would be bent, not just one.

All three are standing on it. It is wide. I have another pic I will post when I go back and find it.

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All of this is circumstantial evidence. Is there any evidence that Paul died?

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O Boogie said
How do you explain Faul’s talent? Plastic surgery can only help alter your features a bit, but does it give you someone else’s voice and talent? No. Let’s say Faul was one of those Paul imitators like those Elvis imitators..what about his ability to write songs just as prolifically as the “real” Paul? Did John write songs for him as well?

JPM had prolific periods of creativity. Perhaps there was a lot of material to work with, if he really did die/disappear. (I don’t want Paul to be dead btw, as another poster suggested). All the others (including  George Martin) were more than talented enough to cover hin in the studio. They made 3? public appearances after 1966 (correct me if I’m wrong). One in which Paul is miming bass playing (Revolution on Ed Sullivan show).

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No, they are NOT standing on it. It’s very narrow. It doesn’t even reach the point where George is standing; he’s standing half in front, half next to it, but not on it. John’s heels might be on it, but the balls of his feet definitely are not. Paul is positioned in front of it.

And please, explain to me where the height difference is in the gazillion other pictures I posted. I have about a quadrillion more if you need them.

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No, they are NOT standing on it. It’s very narrow. It doesn’t even reach the point where George is standing; he’s standing half in front, half next to it, but not on it. John’s heels might be on it, but the balls of his feet definitely are not. Paul is positioned in front of it.

And please, explain to me where the height difference is in the gazillion other pictures I posted. I have about a quadrillion more if you need them.

It does, it is wide. I will post a photo of it when I find it again.

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No, they are NOT standing on it. It’s very narrow. It doesn’t even reach the point where George is standing; he’s standing half in front, half next to it, but not on it. John’s heels might be on it, but the balls of his feet definitely are not. Paul is positioned in front of it.

And please, explain to me where the height difference is in the gazillion other pictures I posted. I have about a quadrillion more if you need them.

None of them show feet, photography is used to change angles etc. It is just an interesting photo to show how things are manipulated in photography.
 

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Looks small to me. The bit in front of the fireplace, that is. And very low.

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Alright, you want feet. We can give you feet.

Paul is closest to the camera and his shoes add a bit of height compared to George and John’s Converses, so you have to factor that in.

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Not much changed height-wise compared to 1964… Mind that they’re not in a straight line here; Ringo is closest to the camera, so he appears taller than John even though he isn’t. And look! Paul is the tallest.

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Paul’s the tallest again…

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And again (George is in front of the others)

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Where did those 3 inches go?

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This is the photo I had to dig around for. By the angle John has his knee bent, it looks more like 2 inches than one, imo.

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All of this is circumstantial evidence. Is there any evidence that Paul died?

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JPM-Fangirl said
Alright, you want feet. We can give you feet.

Paul is closest to the camera and his shoes add a bit of height compared to George and John’s Converses, so you have to factor that in.

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Not much changed height-wise compared to 1964… Mind that they’re not in a straight line here; Ringo is closest to the camera, so he appears taller than John even though he isn’t. And look! Paul is the tallest.

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Paul’s the tallest again…

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And again (George is in front of the others)

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Where did those 3 inches go?

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No, they are NOT standing on it. It’s very narrow. It doesn’t even reach the point where George is standing; he’s standing half in front, half next to it, but not on it. John’s heels might be on it, but the balls of his feet definitely are not. Paul is positioned in front of it.

And please, explain to me where the height difference is in the gazillion other pictures I posted. I have about a quadrillion more if you need them.The top photo looks like a montage, all four figures in disparate positions.

In the last post PID photo, Paul appears to have no heels on his shoes.

The other post pid I can’t see Paul’s feet.

 

 

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All of this is circumstantial evidence. Is there any evidence that Paul died?

Circumstantial evidence is evidence, and can build a case if there is enough of it.

I don’t have a copy of his death certificate or post mortem, no.

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PID is a conspiracy theory.  And it’s been brought up as to how you would get so many friends and family members to remain silent.  Threaten them with their own death?  What happened when Jim got near death? And he still didn’t say anything? What did he have to fear?  Wasn’t there anyone else with a relationship to McCartney who wouldn’t be deterred by the threat of death? Does that mean someone more important (son, daughter) was threatened instead?  The intervening years strengthens this, too.

And who would have the capacity to affect this silence?  For what purpose?  Who stood to gain?  This isn’t the work of either EMI or the Beatles themselves; the Beatles would have been inept at procuring such pressure and they wouldn’t do it.  The record label? That’s laughable.  The British government? Again, why?

Lost in all of who didn’t say what is the one guy who couldn’t have kept it a secret, and that’s George.  Keeping something like this goes directly against the type of person… that type of inner peace he was just beginning to strive for, let alone the level of devotion he developed after the split.  This would have totally ruined his … thing, aura, kismet thing, whatever it is… that kept him balanced.  He wouldn’t have tolerated it.  He would have moved his family and said the hell with it.

People forget George and how he wouldn’t play.  Especially when it was something like this.  They may have successfully (whoever ‘they’ are) pressured him early on, but as the years wore on and the age settled in … and the, once he knew of his own looming future, George would have talked.

That’s a good point. I agree. George alluded to it in his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame speech 1988, but that’s all I’ve ever heard him say.

He died in Paul’s Beverley Hills house, so they must have made up?

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They’re all wearing exactly the same outfit in the Your Mother Should Know photo. Paul’s shoes are the same as the others’. You conveniently ignored the 1969 photo, and dismissing the Mad Day Out photo is just silly. A 10-second Google search will give you countless photos from that day. Paul was wearing regular dress shoes that day, which did not increase his height compared to the others. 

 

George didn’t allude to anything of the sort! He only said something along the lines of it being a pity Paul couldn’t be there. Not because Paul was dead, but because the Beatles were in a legal battle at the time.

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All of this is circumstantial evidence. Is there any evidence that Paul died?

Circumstantial evidence is evidence, and can build a case if there is enough of it.

I don’t have a copy of his death certificate or post mortem, no.

Then there is nothing here saying Paul died, all of this could be used to prove he was replaced, Paul could of got tired of the fame and left and is now living his live in Hawaii and they could of replaced him with a look a like so that Paul wouldn’t be hounded by fans.

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You’re clearly not. Any questions are tossed aside by comments as simple as

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Right, John did change a lot. Out of the four, I’d say George and Paul changed the least.

@Sceptic, I’m curious to learn what makes you think it isn’t Paul in that photo. Is it because he’s playing the drums? Is it because he pulls a funny face? Something else? Because when I Google for photos of Paul playing the drums, it becomes obvious he rather enjoyed mucking about and having fun when he was at the kit.

 

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Because it doesn’t look like him at all.

That’s opinion, not evidence or discussion.

And lets not forget

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Here’s why Paul is alive.

Think of all the people who are associated with the Beatles.  Think of all the musicians, record producers, other studio personnel, Apple Corps, family members, close personal friends, record label executives, music publishers, Maharishis, girlfriends, filmmakers, and Pete Bests associated with the Beatles.  All put together, that’s a ton of people.  That’s a ton of people that would probably know the truth if Paul died.  None of them, over the past fifty years, has had a guilty conscience and fessed to the public that Paul is really dead.  If there really was a conspiracy, one of them would have spilled the beans by now, but they haven’t because there is no conspiracy.

Or they are fearful. With good reason.

Again, to repeat myself for a third time, any points put forward for the ludicrousy (probably not a word) of such a theory are tossed aside with little consideration. Its why it gets boring and futile.

Sorry I didn’t attempt an answer. If such a switch was made, and say MI5 was involved, people would be fearful, for themselves friends and family. Jane Asher’s father died in strange circumstances, so did Mal Evans (and the manuscript he was about to publish disappeared). It was unlike Brian Epstein to have a nervous breakdown and depression in early 1967. He is said to have died from an accidental overdose later that year. John had depression in late 1966, and sat in his chaffeured car for half an hour before he could get out and go into the Indica Gallery and face people. I agree it is the hardest thing to believe. I hardly believe it.

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All of this is circumstantial evidence. Is there any evidence that Paul died?

Circumstantial evidence is evidence, and can build a case if there is enough of it.

I don’t have a copy of his death certificate or post mortem, no.

Then there is nothing here saying Paul died, all of this could be used to prove he was replaced, Paul could of got tired of the fame and left and is now living his live in Hawaii and they could of replaced him with a look a like so that Paul wouldn’t be hounded by fans.

I hope that’s the case. His own island.

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