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Sceptic said:

(When I press edit I only see one photo of the chubby woman and the good looking man – I hadn’t noticed  you had set me another challenge!)
 
 
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Sceptic said

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Do what we have asked. Keep all things even **remotely** related to PID in this thread.

If you like other Beatles conspiracies, we have a thread for you. Check it out https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..-theories/ Just keep posts related to that theme in THAT thread.

Don’t comparisons go a long way to being relevant to PID theory?

They may be for some people, but keep those comparisons in this thread which is what the mods are trying to say. There’s no need to create a new thread for every Paul/Faul comparison there is. The forum would be full of PID threads if someone was to do so. It wrecks the order of the forum. If you keep it in this thread, be assured that people will read and respond likewise.

 

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Do what we have asked. Keep all things even **remotely** related to PID in this thread.

If you like other Beatles conspiracies, we have a thread for you. Check it out https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..-theories/ Just keep posts related to that theme in THAT thread.

So the theme in this thread isn’t PID Theories? Please explain your parameters. Everything I have posted here has been relevant to PID. (That other thread you suggest too way out there for me).

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@Sceptic said

Ahhh Girl said
Do what we have asked. Keep all things even **remotely** related to PID in this thread.

If you like other Beatles conspiracies, we have a thread for you. Check it out https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..-theories/ Just keep posts related to that theme in THAT thread.

Don’t comparisons go a long way to being relevant to PID theory?

If you are using them to argue that Paul is dead then yes, and they should be posted here, rather than your creating new threads for them. If your argument is that it’s proof of Paul’s death, post it here. If the punchline to what you’re posting is that it’s evidence supporting the PiD theory, as you did with your headstone posts, they belong in this one thread.

As I’ve already said, nothing wrong with posting those two bits of “evidence” you posted earlier, it was just wrong to create new threads for them. PiD discussion belongs in this thread, and in this thread alone.

But, if your mind is set and you’re going to dismiss all evidence that points the other way, you really won’t find much joy here – just a bunch of people who think you’re wrong and unprepared to take on evidence to the contrary.

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Sceptic said

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Do what we have asked. Keep all things even **remotely** related to PID in this thread.

If you like other Beatles conspiracies, we have a thread for you. Check it out https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..-theories/ Just keep posts related to that theme in THAT thread.

So the theme in this thread isn’t PID Theories? Please explain your parameters. Everything I have posted here has been relevant to PID. (That other thread you suggest too way out there for me).

The theme of THIS thread is PID. The theme of THE OTHER THREAD that Ahhh Girl had dug up for you is for other conspiracy theories if you’re interested.

I think the point everyone is trying to make is quite clear, Sceptic. It doesn’t take an Einstein to understand simple English. 

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Ron Nasty said

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Do what we have asked. Keep all things even **remotely** related to PID in this thread.

If you like other Beatles conspiracies, we have a thread for you. Check it out https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..-theories/ Just keep posts related to that theme in THAT thread.

Don’t comparisons go a long way to being relevant to PID theory?

If you are using them to argue that Paul is dead then yes, and they should be posted here, rather than your creating new threads for them. If your argument is that it’s proof of Paul’s death, post it here. If the punchline to what you’re posting is that it’s evidence supporting the PiD theory, as you did with your headstone posts, they belong in this one thread.

As I’ve already said, nothing wrong with posting those two bits of “evidence” you posted earlier, it was just wrong to create new threads for them. PiD discussion belongs in this thread, and in this thread alone.

But, if your mind is set and you’re going to dismiss all evidence that points the other way, you really won’t find much joy here – just a bunch of people who think you’re wrong and unprepared to take on evidence to the contrary.

If everyone here is close minded to PID, why have a thread for it? Thanks for the feedback.

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Ahhh Girl said
Do what we have asked. Keep all things even **remotely** related to PID in this thread.

If you like other Beatles conspiracies, we have a thread for you. Check it out https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..-theories/ Just keep posts related to that theme in THAT thread.

So the theme in this thread isn’t PID Theories? Please explain your parameters. Everything I have posted here has been relevant to PID. (That other thread you suggest too way out there for me).

The theme of THIS thread is PID. The theme of THE OTHER THREAD that Ahhh Girl had dug up for you is for other conspiracy theories if you’re interested.

I think the point everyone is trying to make is quite clear, Sceptic. It doesn’t take an Einstein to understand simple English. 

The other thread is too “out there” for me – ideas that the Beatles didn’t exist, were clones etc. I am only interested in exploring the theory that Paul died around 1966. If everyone on this thread is opposed to the theory, why have the thread? I am not a conpiracy theorist, just wanting to discuss some anomalies I see.

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 You want a serious answer when you are giving me a photo of a man and a woman to compare when I click to edit? What’s with that?

Since you seem to be looking for the answer “not the same”, I guess the two women you have publicly posted is, yes they are the same woman, one after significant weight loss and time between photos. There is little to go on from the information in the photo. No ears for comparison, cheek structure impossible to see. Eyebrows similar shape and colour. Nose could be similar, but lighting and angle make it difficult to make an accurate assumption. Women’s eyeshape similar, chin shape similar.

MOD NOTE: I took the repeated part out. The quoting must have had a hiccup.

Well, you’re using similar comparisons to say Paul and Paul are not the same person, so then you should be able to do the same with these. They’re obviously two different comparisons. One of a woman (or two) and one of a man (or two). You’ve given your thoughts on the first one, how about the second?

Sorry this was a misunderstanding – when I clicked reply, I only saw one pic of the woman and one of a man. Please disregard this answer, and see my other one further down. 

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If everyone on this thread is opposed to the theory, why have the thread? I am not a conpiracy theorist, just wanting to discuss some anomalies I see.

The thing is, when someone counters your argument, your post starts with “I don’t know” and then an assumption which really mightn’t make sense to the others, and that sort of makes your argument invalid. We’re not closed minded, just trying to see validity in your statements.

Take your “tinted contact lenses” post for example, JPM-Fangirl confirmed that they didn’t exist in 1967. They were invented in 1982. Obviously, we don’t see your point as being valid, does that make us closed minded?

I find McLennon more of an “argument” than PID. PID is a complete joke.

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Sceptic said:

(When I press edit I only see one photo of the chubby woman and the good looking man – I hadn’t noticed  you had set me another challenge!)
 
 
Wow, cheers for the compliment, mate. Nice to be called chubby. Out of all the ways you could have described me, you chose the least favourable one…ahdn_paul_01

So sorry, I shouldn’t have used that word.

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@Sceptic said

If everyone here is close minded to PID, why have a thread for it?

Because we discuss every element of The Beatles story, and PiD is a part of that story.

There are those who believe it, probably including a very small minority here (as there are those who believe John was assassinated by the US Government), and so there is discussion to had.

However, and I’ve been reading this stuff for 35+ years, and never been convinced. Someone gives me something I haven’t already considered carefully and dismissed, even I could be convinced. That hasn’t happened yet, maybe you will be the one.

I have changed my view on lots of things over the years.

However, the accusation of people here being closed minded works both ways, you have to ask yourself whether you have a closed minded view yourself and are unprepared to examine the evidence we present to the contrary.

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Sceptic said

LoveUlikeGuitars said

Sceptic said

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Do what we have asked. Keep all things even **remotely** related to PID in this thread.

If you like other Beatles conspiracies, we have a thread for you. Check it out https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..-theories/ Just keep posts related to that theme in THAT thread.

So the theme in this thread isn’t PID Theories? Please explain your parameters. Everything I have posted here has been relevant to PID. (That other thread you suggest too way out there for me).

The theme of THIS thread is PID. The theme of THE OTHER THREAD that Ahhh Girl had dug up for you is for other conspiracy theories if you’re interested.

I think the point everyone is trying to make is quite clear, Sceptic. It doesn’t take an Einstein to understand simple English. 

The other thread is too “out there” for me – ideas that the Beatles didn’t exist, were clones etc. I am only interested in exploring the theory that Paul died around 1966. If everyone on this thread is opposed to the theory, why have the thread? I am not a conpiracy theorist, just wanting to discuss some anomalies I see.

This thread exists because the ‘PiD theory exists, its part of Beatles history. To discuss that theory only post here.

To discuss other theories go to the other theories thread.

My understanding is that for most of the day you have been posting everywhere else the same topics and ignored repeated requests to not do so. Please listen and heed requests before its too late.

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meanmistermustard said

Sceptic said

LoveUlikeGuitars said

Sceptic said

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Do what we have asked. Keep all things even **remotely** related to PID in this thread.

If you like other Beatles conspiracies, we have a thread for you. Check it out https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..-theories/ Just keep posts related to that theme in THAT thread.

So the theme in this thread isn’t PID Theories? Please explain your parameters. Everything I have posted here has been relevant to PID. (That other thread you suggest too way out there for me).

The theme of THIS thread is PID. The theme of THE OTHER THREAD that Ahhh Girl had dug up for you is for other conspiracy theories if you’re interested.

I think the point everyone is trying to make is quite clear, Sceptic. It doesn’t take an Einstein to understand simple English. 

The other thread is too “out there” for me – ideas that the Beatles didn’t exist, were clones etc. I am only interested in exploring the theory that Paul died around 1966. If everyone on this thread is opposed to the theory, why have the thread? I am not a conpiracy theorist, just wanting to discuss some anomalies I see.

This thread exists because the ‘PiD theory exists, its part of Beatles history. To discuss that theory only post here.

To discuss other theories go to the other theories thread.

My understanding is that for most of the day you have been posting everywhere else the same topics and ignored repeated requests to not do so. Please listen and heed requests before its too late.

Understood.

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Here’s why Paul is alive.

Think of all the people who are associated with the Beatles.  Think of all the musicians, record producers, other studio personnel, Apple Corps, family members, close personal friends, record label executives, music publishers, Maharishis, girlfriends, filmmakers, and Pete Bests associated with the Beatles.  All put together, that’s a ton of people.  That’s a ton of people that would probably know the truth if Paul died.  None of them, over the past fifty years, has had a guilty conscience and fessed to the public that Paul is really dead.  If there really was a conspiracy, one of them would have spilled the beans by now, but they haven’t because there is no conspiracy.

Or they are fearful. With good reason.
 

 

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Quite apart from everything else, it’s safe to say that if Paul was really Faul, Heather Mills would’ve spilled the beans by now to make more $$$ a-hard-days-night-ringo-6

She received death threats and lives in fear.

 Seriously! That’s your response!!? All those who could possibly know and reveal the truth are living in fear? Come on! Its the worst way to come to a conclusion as you have your answer and if anything doesn’t fit its not examined or questioned, its tossed aside with ridiculous sweeping statements.

If that is your response and approach then what is the point in posting here?

 

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@Sceptic said

If everyone here is close minded to PID, why have a thread for it?

Because we discuss every element of The Beatles story, and PiD is a part of that story.

There are those who believe it, probably including a very small minority here (as there are those who believe John was assassinated by the US Government), and so there is discussion to had.

However, and I’ve been reading this stuff for 35+ years, and never been convinced. Someone gives me something I haven’t already considered carefully and dismissed, even I could be convinced. That hasn’t happened yet, maybe you will be the one.

I have changed my view on lots of things over the years.

However, the accusation of people here being closed minded works both ways, you have to ask yourself whether you have a closed minded view yourself and are unprepared to examine the evidence we present to the contrary.

I scoffed at the PID theory til about a month ago. I am still capable of being sceptical, and open minded. I question how it could have happened on such a large scale. It was forensic evidence and observation that got me to my current position. So my position is that JPM was replaced in late 1966, that he disappeared. I’m afraid I don’t have any idea if or how he died. I noticed a difference in looks, personality, voice. And once I noticed, I couldn’t stop seeing it. I think he died? Probably. 

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Anyway…

It seems to me that if you identify these two women as the same person…

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…which in fact they are, as they are photos of me, taken in 2004 and 2015 respectively…

 

…yet insist the Pauls in these photos are not all the same person….

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…then I see no reason to keep arguing with you. 

 

P.S. Edited to add: that last photo of Paul and Jim was taken just days or weeks after Paul’s supposed death. Would a grieving father be chatting with his son’s replacement like that?

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Sceptic said

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Here’s why Paul is alive.

Think of all the people who are associated with the Beatles.  Think of all the musicians, record producers, other studio personnel, Apple Corps, family members, close personal friends, record label executives, music publishers, Maharishis, girlfriends, filmmakers, and Pete Bests associated with the Beatles.  All put together, that’s a ton of people.  That’s a ton of people that would probably know the truth if Paul died.  None of them, over the past fifty years, has had a guilty conscience and fessed to the public that Paul is really dead.  If there really was a conspiracy, one of them would have spilled the beans by now, but they haven’t because there is no conspiracy.

Or they are fearful. With good reason.
 

 

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Quite apart from everything else, it’s safe to say that if Paul was really Faul, Heather Mills would’ve spilled the beans by now to make more $$$ a-hard-days-night-ringo-6

She received death threats and lives in fear.

 Seriously! That’s your response!!? All those who could possibly know and reveal the truth are living in fear? Come on! Its the worst way to come to a conclusion as you have your answer and if anything doesn’t fit its not examined or questioned, its tossed aside with ridiculous sweeping statements.

If that is your response and approach then what is the point in posting here?

 

I saw her interviewed and the woman (whatever you think of her) appeared genuinely fearful. She had received death threats. I am not saying everyone is living in fear. I was only referring to her, not making sweeping statements.

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I scoffed at the PID theory til about a month ago. I am still capable of being sceptical, and open minded. I question how it could have happened on such a large scale. It was forensic evidence and observation that got me to my current position. So my position is that JPM was replaced in late 1966, that he disappeared. I’m afraid I don’t have any idea if or how he died. I noticed a difference in looks, personality, voice. And once I noticed, I couldn’t stop seeing it. I think he died? Probably. 

If you were truly as openminded as you say, you would have accepted the evidence presented to you which shows you Paul=Paul. However, you have not. You have said you are only interested in finding differences and that makes you close-minded by default. You are very clearly showing us that the only evidence you will accept, is that which supports the idea that Paul died. That is not being openminded. That is not being sceptical. That is confirmation bias. 

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Anyway…

It seems to me that if you identify these two women as the same person…

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…which in fact they are, as they are photos of me, taken in 2004 and 2015 respectively…

 

…yet insist the Pauls in these photos are not all the same person….

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…then I see no reason to keep arguing with you. 

I wasn’t aware we were arguing. How did I go with the pics of the other 2 men I compared?

The differences are much easier to spot in the collage of Paul, than your example of yourself (which I actually said was inconclusive).

For instance, second row, photos 1 and 2 from the left are clearly different people to my eye.

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