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18 April 2013
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http://www.people.com/article/…..evisionism
Not sure if this was discussed elsewhere, but here is more whining from Paul about how he isn’t as famous as he would like to be. What more does he want? He is definitely the most popular Beatle on this forum.
I definitely don’t think that John is only as famous as he is because he was shot. He started The Beatles after all. Is it even true that until recently John was admired as the genius behind The Beatles? I never saw it. In fact, ever since becoming a Beatles fan all I’ve seen is Paul complaining about revisionism, people going on about how violent and horrible John was, and lots of women fawning over Paul.
This post is not meant to provoke any Paul fans–just calling it like I see it.
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Offline I’m not sure we are reading the same article.
You said:
whining from Paul about how he isn’t as famous as he would like to be
Paul said nothing of the kind, unless he said that in the full article.
You said:
I definitely don’t think that John is only as famous as he is because he was shot.
Paul said, “Lennon’s being shot on a New York street made him into a posthumous martyr”. – and – “Now the fact that he’s now martyred has elevated him to a James Dean, and beyond,” said McCartney. “So whilst I didn’t mind that – I agreed with it – I understood that now there was going to be revisionism. It was going to be: John was the one.”
Did I miss the part where Paul said John was more famous? Just reading the article in print, one can take anything they want out of context, I suppose.
I am not defending Paul (he is actually my fourth favorite Beatle). I just don’t agree that he was whining about anything. Seems the commenters after the article are also split on the subject.
Thanks for posting the article. I hope some decent thought-provoking conversation follows.
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3.24pm
18 April 2013
Offline Perhaps it is more the headline of the article that is suggesting Paul is upset because John is more famous–but that would seem to be the underlying motive for complaining that John is more famous than he should be because he got shot. He is essentially saying, “I wish he wasn’t shot so that people could see how average his talents are.”
I am a big fan of Paul’s music, but not always his personality.
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14 April 2010
Offline Expert Textpert said
Perhaps it is more the headline of the article that is suggesting Paul is upset because John is more famous…
I think you nailed it. Shame on People magazine and similar rags that sensationalize “stories” just to make a buck. The only thing those pieces of crap are good for is a quick chuckle while waiting in line at the grocery store. Zag & I usually debate over which one has the dumbest headline. It’s often a 6-way tie.
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Here is the full article which meanmistermustard posted in the Paul interviews thread.
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5.54pm
17 October 2013
Offline As Silly says Mustard plastered the whole thing………I think when ET has had a chance to read it he’ll confirm for himself that reporters want eye catching headlines…..
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Paul is protective of his status and John is his main rival. While John was alive they both had pops at each other’s work or importance. They kept each other in check.
Paul’s getting over his point while he still can……..He done it often enough before. Perhaps this is the most blatant, or if you like ..’honest’ example.
I’m glad he spoke his mind. Though I felt a little awkward at his use of the other two’s feelings to justify his argument. We were all sort of equal’ish….and now….?”
They were never that in Paul’s or anybody’s mind. There was equal’ish love and popularity… but inside the 4, (and outside) there was a measured respect hierarchy…….And using Ringo as added weight to his argument, as if he’s just as hurt as Paul that John get’s credit for Yesterday seems ingenuous.
George got his name behind his own songs….. John wasn’t his partner in that way. George wouldn’t have given much thought to Paul’s predicament.
But I liked how Paul spoke his mind……..Especially to Yoko’s minimalist criticism that ‘Paul booked the studio end of’ I’m sure that comment has festered over the years.
Go on Paul…You’ve enough love accredited it’s now or never to put your case……….We can all take a view……
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27 March 2015
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I would disagree with the statement that Paul is the most popular Beatle on this forum/Paul’s fans place him so much higher than the others. I don’t feel that’s a true and objective assessment. In fact, I would counter that statement by saying Paul is the only Beatle to be talked about in a very negative, sometimes hateful way (on this forum, and elsewhere). Some of the John/George fans on here can be outright nasty when it comes to Paul, and I’ve not seen any Paul fans say similar things about John, George, or Ringo*. I’ve literally seen people write comments such as “the wrong Beatles died”, or “Can we get John and George back and let Paul and Ringo be dead instead?” I’m not making this up; I wish I was! I haven’t seen that posted here, but it’s out there.
I don’t think Paul is wrong when he says John has been raised to martyrdom and put up on a massive pedestal. There’s a video out there in which a huge number of people say who they consider the best Beatle, and John comes out on top. Way on top. Many people have also completely diminished Paul’s role within the band, and his accomplishments are often ignored, downplayed, or denied. So in that regard, I see where he’s coming from. He’s only human after all, and fame doesn’t make a person immune to feeling hurt.
Now, do I think he should have said something about it? I’m on the fence about that one. On one hand, it shows his humanity. People often accuse him of always being mister thumbs aloft, always painting a sunny picture, always looking through rose coloured glasses. If anything, his ‘complaints’ show that even ‘Paul McCharmley’ has a dark side, just like any other person. On the other hand, his critics will take this and run with it, thinking of him as an even bigger egomaniac, saying he’s trying to chip away at John’s legacy, and trying to make himself look better by bringing John down. So, perhaps he should’ve let sleeping dogs lie, or perhaps been even more careful in voicing his concerns.
I think he’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. He’s at least partly got himself to blame for that, but just as much of it is caused by John’s tragic history and Yoko’s negative comments. In any case, I’m sure he made a conscious decision to say what he said, and I respect him for that. I’ve read the article, and I didn’t consider it whinging. It was uncomfortable to read at times, but I got over it and I respect him for being more open than he has been in years.
By the way, I may call myself a Paul fangirl, that doesn’t mean I’m critique-lessI definitely don’t approve of some of the things he does, and that’s okay. Being a fan doesn’t mean you need to love every aspect of a person. It’s okay to be critical.
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Offline On a lighter note, the article cited above contains this sentence: “The former Beatle, 73, says Lennon’s being shot on a New York street made him into a posthumous ‘martyr.'”
Is there any other kind of martyr?
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24 March 2014
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Paul’s bass is ok, george’s guitar is ok… but what the hell is that john’s guitar?
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6.06am
1 November 2013
Offline Matt Busby said
Is there any other kind of martyr?
If John was brought back to life, would he still be a martyr?
8.41am
17 October 2013
Offline Have to concur with @JPMFangirl……. I’m a John man but Paul does get a comparatively hard time. I have to say, the biggest musical palette belonged to Paul not John. That despite the fact, John could match and in someways exceed JPM is staggering.
10.33am
18 April 2013
Offline Well, I certainly hope I am not viewed as one of the people who always say negative things about Paul. When I do, it is because I feel that John’s dark side is discussed but Paul’s isn’t. I have tried to discuss Paul’s violence and huge ego on here before and no one wants to discuss it. But people seem to be all over John as a “wife-beater” etc.
I am actually a huge fan of Paul’s music and have all of his albums. A few of them I have only on mp3 because they are hard to find, but I paid for them instead of downloading pirated versions.
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1.36pm
27 April 2015
Offline If Paul comes across as whiny, it’s justified in my opinion. I read that article on Daily Mail, and Paul said something like people used to say that John was The Beatles – totally stupid. People who commented on the article said that he shouldn’t be complaining because he has made millions out of it. But, so what? People sort of ignore Paul’s contribution, and he is rightfully unhappy about it, millions or not. It’s easy to forget that Paul did keep The Beatles going at one point, his way of dealing with it might have been wrong, but well, without that, I don’t think The Beatles legacy would’ve been the same.
And as for John being elevated to the martyr status, yes, he has been. And that’s not something I agree with.
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1.43pm
27 April 2015
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Well, I certainly hope I am not viewed as one of the people who always say negative things about Paul. When I do, it is because I feel that John’s dark side is discussed but Paul’s isn’t. I have tried to discuss Paul’s violence and huge ego on here before and no one wants to discuss it. But people seem to be all over John as a “wife-beater” etc.I am actually a huge fan of Paul’s music and have all of his albums. A few of them I have only on mp3 because they are hard to find, but I paid for them instead of downloading pirated versions.
Sorry for the double post, but I don’t think he can be called a wife-beater because I’ve read Cynthia’s autobiography, and she says he only hit her once (and that was before they got married), and he profusely apologized for doing so. He never repeated it again. And even Yoko has said that John never hit her. No idea if he ever hit May Pang. It was John who said he used to hit his women, and John had a tendency to make exaggerated statements of that sort. I do agree that he did abuse his first wife, mentally, and was absolutely cruel to her, but he was not a wife-beater, if Cynthia is to be believed (and there’s no reason, really, for her to cover up his faults).
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1.52pm
18 April 2013
Offline Yes, I’ve read that he only hit Cynthia once (and never Yoko). However, May Pang says that he tried to strangle her one night when he had been drinking too much. And she told a story of Phil Spector and some others having to tie him to a chair because he was going berserk. He eventually broke through the ties and destroyed the apartment where he was staying, throwing things through windows, breaking things, ripping a chandelier out of the ceiling, etc.
He definitely had a temper, and alcohol made it worse.
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7.34pm
17 October 2013
Offline Come on ET what’s Paul’s darkside?
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17 October 2013
Offline Thanks R Girl……
I read all that……. Strange about missing his dad’s funeral……… But attending doesn’t mean love any more than not attending. He always speaks glowingly of his father…….Perhaps he couldn’t face it.
Yoko helped him out of having to face up to John’s funeral.
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