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20 January 2016
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Lennon has made all sorts of songs from radio hits, experimental music, anthemic masterpieces, poetic gems, to songs that were too audacious for the radio to play. He was beautifully inconsistent and never did the same thing twice. He not only mastered the formula to being a successful rock artist, but he broke the formula and took lots of risks each time. Each song is about something different and you can tell his songs apart. His catologue is very robust. He has songs that are soft, hard, happy, sad, introspective and perceptive. Between the great melodies, excellent lyrics, unique instrumentation and a distinct voice, his songs have been at the top level above most. Even some of his weaker songs are super-progressive. He was more than just a talented musician ; he was an artist and a visionary.
10.22pm
27 April 2015
Offline How about 1/2 of the greatest songwriting partnership ever? Sounds cooler to me.
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The same things can be said about McCartney. I tend to agree with @O Boogie on this one.
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8.20am
20 January 2016
Offline JPM-Fangirl said
The same things can be said about McCartney. I tend to agree with @O Boogie on this one.
He was beautifully inconsistent and never did the same thing twice.
took lots of risks each time.
Even some of his weaker songs are super-progressive.
he was an artist and a visionary.”
Not sure if all these things can be applied to Paul. Yes, Paul has shown himself capable of all these things, with songs like “Hey Jude “, “Helter Skelter ” and “Eleanor Rigby “, but like 70% of his songs have been safe pop songs. Whereas Lennon strove to make almost all of his songs unique.
8.22am
20 January 2016
Offline P3pperish said
How about 1/2 of the greatest songwriting partnership ever? Sounds cooler to me.
But in their solo careers they diverged. I never even meant this thread to be a paul vs john, but now that were in this, while paul has a solo to be proud of, it doesn’t even match what lennon managed to do.
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I would disagree, Lennon’s got his fair share of clunky lyrics.
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9.25am
27 April 2015
Offline Derek_Francis said
P3pperish said
How about 1/2 of the greatest songwriting partnership ever? Sounds cooler to me.But in their solo careers they diverged. I never even meant this thread to be a paul vs john, but now that were in this, while paul has a solo to be proud of, it doesn’t even match what lennon managed to do.
Neither did I. My post wasn’t John vs Paul at all. In fact, I was saying that together Lennon-McCartney are the best.
I prefer John’s solo career over Paul’s, but it is also a fact that when John was alive, it was Paul who was churning out hits, and not John, and he was the most successful Beatle in terms of solo career. Still is.
Both John & Paul have had their fair share of granny s**t music. And even when it comes to lyrics, Paul wasn’t a Dylan or Cohen, but neither was John. In fact I think I read it somewhere that John felt that the talent that Dylan had when it came to writing poetry sort of eluded him. I don’t know whether this is true, but I think I did read it somewhere.
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1.40pm
3 August 2012
Offline I love John’s songwriting but he was definitely not the best of all time.
Aisumasen (I’m Sorry) was a copy of Jealous Guy musically and lyrically.
Old Dirt Road, in my opinion, was a copy of Imagine musically.
Also, some of his lyrics (such as on Some Time In New York City ) were a bit juvenile and I don’t think the greatest songwriter of all time would have written something like “let him free, lift the lid, bring him to his wife and kids” (from John Sinclair).
And I definitely disagree with his weaker songs being super-progressive, how was Thank You Girl progressive in any way? (“I could tell the world a thing or two about our love / I know little girl only a fool would doubt our love”) 
I don’t mean to bash John though, I love practically all his songs.
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Offline Derek_Francis said
JPM-Fangirl said
The same things can be said about McCartney. I tend to agree with @O Boogie on this one.“experimental music
He was beautifully inconsistent and never did the same thing twice.took lots of risks each time.
Even some of his weaker songs are super-progressive.
he was an artist and a visionary.”
Not sure if all these things can be applied to Paul. Yes, Paul has shown himself capable of all these things, with songs like “Hey Jude “, “Helter Skelter ” and “Eleanor Rigby “, but like 70% of his songs have been safe pop songs. Whereas Lennon strove to make almost all of his songs unique.
Nonsense. Such a comment doesnt even deserve a sensible reply. Its this kind of comment that riles Paul fans and no wonder.
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10.30am
20 January 2016
Offline Now that I’m embroiled into this, Lennon had War Is Over, Give Peace A Chance , Imagine , and Instant Karma . Paul had Live And Let Die , which is not even in the top 5 James Bond songs.
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15 February 2015
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11.18am
14 February 2016
Offline From listening to Lennon’s music it sounds like its full of angst and hatred. While McCartney may write up-beat “pop” songs you can tell he sounds like he’s having the time of his life, it’s what he lives for (in my opinion). With John, he didn’t seem to have a happy life and you can tell that through his music. I’ve never liked Lennon’s solo work and I don’t feel he deserves the title of “Greatest Songwriter”.
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15 February 2015
Offline Evangeline said
From listening to Lennon’s music it sounds like its full of angst and hatred.
Angst, perhaps, but not hatred. And he had plenty of happy songs; try Oh Yoko.
While McCartney may write up-beat “pop” songs you can tell he sounds like he’s having the time of his life, it’s what he lives for (in my opinion).
There’s nothing wrong with writing upbeat pop.
With John, he didn’t seem to have a happy life and you can tell that through his music.
That’s why many people feel a connection to his music, because they sympathise. He perfectly expresses things they wish they could find words for.
I’ve never liked Lennon’s solo work and I don’t feel he deserves the title of “Greatest Songwriter”.
While I don’t like some of his songs, I cannot deny he is a very powerful songwroter.
Once again, ’tis subjective 
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11.28am
1 November 2013
Offline Evangeline said
From listening to Lennon’s music it sounds like its full of angst and hatred.
It’s Only Love = So much angst.
11.29am
1 November 2013
Offline Silly Girl said
Purely subjective
Yep but if you got enough subjects, then it starts to add up.
11.48am
14 February 2016
Offline Annadog40 said
Evangeline said
From listening to Lennon’s music it sounds like its full of angst and hatred.It’s Only Love = So much angst.
I was referring to his solo work with that statement.
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11.56am
27 April 2015
Offline Like How do you sleep? Paul started that war first. And I think John was more hurt than anything else.
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12.15pm
14 February 2016
Offline P3pperish said
Like How do you sleep? Paul started that war first. And I think John was more hurt than anything else.
I’ve never figured out how Paul’s song was a shot at John, but John’s song was easily distinguished as a knife in the back to Paul.
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12.28pm
27 April 2015
Offline Well, John figured it out, and Paul did say that it was about him. So, Paul did his fair share of knife twisting as well.
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12.30pm
27 March 2015
Offline Look, it’s all personal preference whether you prefer John’s solo work, Paul’s, George’s, or Ringo’s. There’s no accounting for taste.
However, claiming Paul’s only solo effort worth mentioning is Live And Let Die , only proves the person making the claim never bothered to properly listen to Paul’s solo work. Saying 70% of his post-Beatles work is simple pop music is another indication of not being familiar with his endeavours.
I wonder if Derek Francis knows who the Fireman is, or whether he ever heard of Ecce Cor Meum , Standing Stone , or even the Liverpool Oratorio . If that’s too outlandish, then I would like to invite him to give McCartney II a listen. There are so many gems in his catalog, and whilst he wrote many silly love songs (what’s wrong with that? I’d like to know), he has a huge array of styles.
John was one of the greatest. Only a fool would contest that. But this ‘John is the biggest genius that ever lived’ mantra really has passed its use-by-date. If John could find it in him to praise Paul, then surely so can we? And vice versa, of course!
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