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Does anyone think there was anything suspicious about John Lennon's murder?

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9 July 2023
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I haven’t read the book, but probably something to do with being a loner or outsider.

I am never reading the book and reading it would feel extremely dirty and soul twisting to me. It’s been forever tainted and that’s just how I feel, regardless if it’s any good or not.

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9 July 2023
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J.D. Salinger was part of a pre-60s Zeitgeist that paved the way for the 60s Cultural Revolution . He became a recluse as obsessive about his privacy as Howard Hughes — and perhaps almost as weird, if we are to believe Joyce Maynard who at age 18 began a sexual relationship with him at age 53 and moved in with him at his exclusive reclusive home in the woods of New Hampshire in approximately 1972, until he kicked her out a year later. Years later, when she was in her 40s, she finally broke the silence and wrote about it.

“It took me that long to recognize the truth: that I was groomed to be the sexual partner of a narcissist who nearly derailed my life.”

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10 July 2023
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I wasn’t seeking instructions on how to program an assassin. I’m probing the issue, and the logic of conspiracy theory. My one fault in this regard, I suppose, is that in my years-long (if not decades-long) quest to find intelligent discussion/conversation online, I continue trying, when the relatively meager results should have disabused me of this quest long ago. It hasn’t been an utter desert; there have been a few tiny islands of moments Now And Then over the years when I enjoyed intellectual stimulation online — but overall, teetering on the edge of being too few and far between.

Well, was there any conspiracy at all? Apparently no but…

I have never thought too much about this, to me it always was a matter of a crazy b*****d killing a person in cold blood. Just recently, and because of this thread, i tried to search and find (not too deeply though) more info about it. I only read “Who killed John Lennon ?” which talks basically about Chapman being hypnotized and trigerred by The Catcher in The Rye but also mention some interesting things like CIA and mafia partnering to take people out of the way.

Does MK Ultra ever existed? It seems so. Was Chapman hypnotyzed and trained to be triggered by that book? I don’t know. Is that possible at all? No idea. Why that book and not The Wizard of Oz? Who knows….

Why would they take the time and effort to hypnotyze a guy to do whatever they want? Well, i guess if they could do this with one person, they could have a bunch of persons all over the world just ready to be triggered by a simple phone call or wahtever… Would those who rule and command the world ever be bothered in doing this? We don’t know. They certainly took the time to experiment with LSD and stuff…

A weird thing about the murder is the number of bullets in John’s body, the number of bullets shot, and the number of bullet holes in the glass of the wooden door in the Dakota driveway. It seems like the numbers don’t match… why? I don’t know.

All I know is that it really happened and that I wish it had never happened.

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It’s not possible to say for sure what Chapman was really about, but I think it is possible that there was some MK Ultra protocol applied to him….for sure John was targeted by the Intelligence.

27 July 2023
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Timothy said
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I haven’t read the book, but probably something to do with being a loner or outsider.
I am never reading the book and reading it would feel extremely dirty and soul twisting to me. It’s been forever tainted and that’s just how I feel, regardless if it’s any good or not.

I read it in high school, around ’83 or so, and again a few years after that; I obviously knew about the MDC connection but that wasn’t a factor in my choosing to read it. I enjoyed it, but it seems to have a reputation as a work that adolescents love, then outgrow. The teenage narrator is indeed an angsty loner, alienated from much of society and the world in general, constantly complaining about “phoneys”.

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Salinger also wrote a lot of short stories, and two long ones or novellas called “Franny” and “Zooey” (brother and sister). In one of his short stories, he describes a young man who is on honeymoon with his beautiful wife in a lovely tropical locale, and everything is wonderful and pleasant, without a hint of anything wrong. Then at the end he commits suicide — apparently for no reason.

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26 November 2023
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