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Did Yoko love John?
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I love singing Oh Yoko.

Move over – you have company. How are you at harmonizing?

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So long as they’re your choices, no one should criticize you.

Surely that depends on the circumstances. You need people around you who will pull you up for your mistakes and be able to speak when they think you are making mistakes, doing something idiotic or going the wrong way. Its how its done, holding it and then using it against you later that is incorrect. Speak up and then if they choose to continue be there for them.

 

I really dont like ‘Oh Yoko’ or ‘Dear Yoko’. To me they are lazy, self-indulgent bores of songs; the latter being a dreadful mix (the outtakes are more listenable but still incredibly dull in my opinion). 

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Zig said

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I love singing Oh Yoko.

Move over – you have company. How are you at harmonizing?

I’m pretty good at it With A Little Help From My Friends .

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Expert Textpert said

Zig said

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I love singing Oh Yoko.

Move over – you have company. How are you at harmonizing?

I’m pretty good at it With A Little Help From My Friends .

You need Help ? I’ll give you Help ahdn_george_08 

Ohhhhh Yooooooko… my loooove willl turrrrn you on. 

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I think I have a signed copy of that Rosen book. Haven’t read it yet. All we know about the May/Yoko thing is the conflicting things each of them say. Pick who you believe, I guess. 

I gave up reading Rosen’s book after discovering that he had written it having  (to quote wiki as I cant be bothered getting the book)

recreated from memory portions of Lennon’s diaries and combined this information with details from his own diaries about what had happened since Lennon and Yoko Ono hired Seaman in February 1979.”

There is also

Rosen says that he used his memory of Lennon’s diaries as “a roadmap to the truth.”

Sorry but no, not interested.

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I think like the Dakota years, the truth about the Lost Weekend is also somewhere in between. 

Peter Doggett paints a balanced picture where he says that while it started with extreme drunkeness, John did get his act together once he went to New York when he realised that it was getting too much.

Its hard because whilst John was miserable in LA he did get himself clean(er), leaving the drink and drugs scene behind him and moving to NYC, plus the music was so good (ignoring some of it being overproduced). However you cant ignore that John wasn’t in a good place as clearly on show thru the material on ‘Walls And Bridges ‘.

Whatever Gets You Thru The Night ‘, ‘What You Got’, ‘Nobody Loves You When You’re Down’ (of all the Beatles by the time of ‘Walls And Bridges ‘ John’s was the one that had most fallen away musically – its no coincidence in my head that John was planning to work with Paul again at this time). The bridge (or whatever its called) in ‘Scared’ is very telling 

Hatred and jealousy, gonna be the death of me
I guess I knew it right from the start
Sing out about love and peace
Don’t wanna see the red raw meat
The green eyed goddamn straight from your heart

John looked back, saw no Yoko and all the misery he was in during the time, and so dismissed the entire “weekend” out of hand.

Fans look back and see John recording great music again, playing live, making noises over Beatles reunions and looking and sounding happy in interviews.

And then, for some, just as he’s about to go and make sweet music again with Paul, Yoko comes calling, and so after tying up the ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll’ project stops. blue-meanieyoko-ono_01a-hard-days-night-paul-3 

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Fans look back and see John recording great music again, playing live, making noises over Beatles reunions and looking and sounding happy in interviews.

And then, for some, just as he’s about to go and make sweet music again with Paul, Yoko comes calling, and so after tying up the ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll’ project stops. 

I remain torn over whether this was coincidental or intentional. Part of me gives Yoko the benefit of the doubt. My steadfast opinion of her being a manipulative person (based on patterns of past acts) who always knows what she is doing tugs me in the opposite direction.

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Going back to Doggett’s book again, there’s one instance where John isn’t able to fill up the seats or something to one concert (I forget which one it is), so he swallows his pride and calls up Paul and asks him to join him, and Paul rejects because they’re still caught up in the Klein mess. He was with Yoko at this time, and there’s no account of her stamping her foot and throwing a hissy fit about it, so why would she sabotage the other reunion? Besides that, wasn’t it Paul who helped bring them back together? 

Isn’t it funny that Paul sent Yoko to John when she came around asking for the lyrics the first time and the whole drama ensued, and then second time he helps them get together once again, and their reunion plan blows up. Methinks Paul is a closet JohnandYoko fan a-hard-days-night-john-6

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Paul probably realised that John wasnt happy and wanted to help his friend out. It probably helped that Wings were an established successful band by this time.

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Fans look back and see John recording great music again, playing live, making noises over Beatles reunions and looking and sounding happy in interviews.

And then, for some, just as he’s about to go and make sweet music again with Paul, Yoko comes calling, and so after tying up the ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll’ project stops. 

I remain torn over whether this was coincidental or intentional. Part of me gives Yoko the benefit of the doubt. My steadfast opinion of her being a manipulative person (based on patterns of past acts) who always knows what she is doing tugs me in the opposite direction.

I personally feel that it was too coincidental time-wise for it to just happen the night before John was to go meet Paul, but who knows when Paul told Yoko and what the time gap was before Yoko acted. Its entirely possible that she acted last minute having spent an age deliberating and trying to decide, kind of like John, Paul and George waiting an eternity before sacking Pete.

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It was Yoko who went to Paul to help her in getting John and her back together. Why would she stab the same person who helped her in the back? Something doesn’t add up here.

 

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According to the Daily Mail

As Yoko recounts, Paul and Linda McCartney visited her in New York early in 1974, and they talked long into the night.

Paul asked Yoko what would make her take John back and she told him that if John courted her she would perhaps consider it.

Paul then visited John in Los Angeles where he was living with May Pang, and according to Yoko advised him on how to get Yoko back.

The fact that John immediately tried to court Yoko, and came back to New York, was hugely important she says.

He made several attempts to woo her, including taking her to a Man Ray exhibition and to see a film, after she watched him perform at the Elton John concert and realised it could all begin again.

Less than a year after they were reunited their son Sean was born, on John’s birthday.

So Paul would only have seen how unhappy John was after having spoken to Yoko, maybe that confirmed it.

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According to the Daily Mail

As Yoko recounts, Paul and Linda McCartney visited her in New York early in 1974, and they talked long into the night.

Paul asked Yoko what would make her take John back and she told him that if John courted her she would perhaps consider it.

Paul then visited John in Los Angeles where he was living with May Pang, and according to Yoko advised him on how to get Yoko back.

The fact that John immediately tried to court Yoko, and came back to New York, was hugely important she says.

He made several attempts to woo her, including taking her to a Man Ray exhibition and to see a film, after she watched him perform at the Elton John concert and realised it could all begin again.
Less than a year after they were reunited their son Sean was born, on John’s birthday.

So Paul would only have seen how unhappy John was after having spoken to Yoko, maybe that confirmed it.

Yoko, Paul and May Pang all gave different stories:

May said Yoko used excuse of “smoking cessation” to get John back

Yoko said Paul visited her in NY, and asked her how she would accept John.

However, Paul said Yoko visited him in London to ask for help. There are rumors saying Yoko went to George first, but George refused (I need to find the news link  though, so am not sure).

I tend to believe Paul, because I don’t think Paul would be that enthusiastic about something none of his business (went to NY, then to LA), unless somebody asked for help.

But it was not true John immediately went back to Yoko, Paul talked to John,  9 months later, John went back.  It is understandable to me, because if John was so eager to come back, he would always find a way. Why should Yoko bother to go all the way to UK and ask George then Paul for help? 

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Because she loved John?

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LoveUlikeGuitars said

Jolly Jimmy said

Lots of guys love their wives very much.  But for me, I get annoyed when somebody gets overzealous with their love and neglect everybody else. 

While I agree that John shouldn’t have brought Yoko to the studio, and that even she could’ve said no, I think him wanting to be with her all the time was also because he thought she’d leave him and run away with someone else (esp Paul). He was absolutely paranoid about it. He even suspected his first wife of infidelity. I think Yoko even went along with it coz even she was paranoid about his infidelity up to a certain extent. I think they both were deeply insecure people, and had problems that ran far too deep.

I always wonder whether it was some sort of powerplay (against Paul and George Martin). 

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She was his ticket out of the Beatles. Too bad he took that road  rather than just be upfront about it. But it’s John, that’s the way he does things I suppose. 

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The word may never no. It’s sad that John couldn’t make things right between him and Julian. I do wish that Yoko didn’t stop John but it’s worse that John agreed to not see Julian anymore. You kind of have to wonder maybe they do love each other but it’s just that it’s hard to show to others or to each other. I mean did John ever abuse Yoko or Cythnia? 

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John never stopped seeing Julian. He may have seen him less frequently. One reason he saw Julian less frequently is that he did not like seeing Cynthia. He felt that Cynthia still had feelings for him and wanted him back.

He did hit Cynthia once before they got married, and cheated on her. He never hit Yoko, but he did cheat on her too. Yoko also cheated on him in return.

I often read posts made by Yoko on Facebook and it gets old really fast seeing the comments. No matter what she posts, whatever the subject may be, some people always respond with comments about her neglect of Julian or breaking up the Beatles.

Julian and his fans seem a little whiny to me. Yes, you didn’t have the best life but you weren’t poor, orphaned, or born in a third-world country. Get over it.

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Whilst I do feel John and Yoko have treated Julian unfairly – and Yoko continued to do so after John’s death – I tend to agree Julian has gone overboard on the ‘woe is me’-act. We know for a fact John saw a lot more of him than he wants the world to think, and the way he’s put some sort of claim on Paul is just weird. I mean, he doesn’t owe Julian anything and the way he overreacted about that ‘wedding snub’ was just silly. He needs to choose. Either he’s that wise and peaceful guy who’s overcome his adversities, or he’s the victim who needs to be pitied and pampered. He can’t have both.

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I wonder if that’s the reason that show at times doesn’t want to be around Julian at times.  Julian in one interview said Sean doesn’t pick up his calls when at times.  I mean Julian blames his dad for the reason he doesn’t have kids. I know Julian is sad that he didn’t get to see his dad frequently and John wasn’t as loving to him but you have to learn when to quite blaming things on others and get help

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This interview of Julian and Elliot Mintz is quite sad (can’t think of a better word to describe it):

 

 

I think that Julian need to stop sounding so bitter all the time because no one has the time for someone who is constantly moaning. It tends to get tedious at some point.

I think all the Beatle children need to stop whining at one point or the other.

 

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How are the other Beatle kids whinging, though? Mary, Stella, and Sean are public figures who seem quite happy. Zak is obviously famous in his own right, but you never hear from him. James is terrible at doing interviews so you rarely hear anything from him either, and the other kids fly completely under the radar. To me, Julian seems to be the only one doing any whinging, though I can’t recall hearing anything about/from him in years.

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