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Did Yoko love John?
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That’s the way I am. I’m an extreme introvert so whenever I leave the house it’s usually with my wife. I see people with her or occasionally when she’s out of town (unless I want to be alone).

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Jolly Jimmy said

Lots of guys love their wives very much.  But for me, I get annoyed when somebody gets overzealous with their love and neglect everybody else. 

While I agree that John shouldn’t have brought Yoko to the studio, and that even she could’ve said no, I think him wanting to be with her all the time was also because he thought she’d leave him and run away with someone else (esp Paul). He was absolutely paranoid about it. He even suspected his first wife of infidelity. I think Yoko even went along with it coz even she was paranoid about his infidelity up to a certain extent. I think they both were deeply insecure people, and had problems that ran far too deep.

 

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I think it was that way at first. But later I think John just wanted to stay home at The Dakota.

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I don’t think an extremely jealous man would say “we all have our flings” and just blow it off when his wife had an affair.

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What else could he say after the public affair? JohnandYoko went out of their way to project a very ideal couple image, and it backfired spectacularly after the whole “Lost Weekend” fiasco. Cheating, infidelity aren’t what people in general see in an ideal couple whatever John and Yoko’s opinions might’ve been. People think of Paul & Linda as the better example of an ideal couple.

Anyway, John changed his opinion every five minutes, and I think John said it best through his songs, and that’s what I take seriously. He liked to project a callous image, but this was the same man who wrote In my life. 

 

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Just to be clear, I am talking about Yoko’s affair(s) in 1979-1980.

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I was of the opinion he said it after the Lost Weekend because I heard that even Yoko was dating somebody during that time. Well, I stand corrected.

But yes, I think by the time of  Sam affair the intensity between them had  mellowed to a great extent. While he must’ve been very hurt by her affair, he might not have been as jealous. Also, by that time, the ideal image had crumbled.

 

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I think at that time Yoko was contemplating divorcing John and John was trying to win her back. Others have speculated that she changed her mind about the divorce when John began recording an album and she saw an opportunity for herself.

I don’t think she told John about her plans to divorce, but he was trying to rekindle the flame.

I think at the time John and Yoko were not involved sexually and John had other partners. I don’t know if Yoko’s affairs were physical or platonic. I do know she was doing heroin behind John’s back.

The songs “I’m Moving On” and “Just Like Starting Over” probably describe their states of mind.

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Robert Rosen, who had access to John’s diaries, said that John was pining away for May Pang. And May Pang says John visited her till 1977 (?), and that he used to tell her he had to dismiss their relationship because of the image they projected or whatever. I mean, those are May’s words, so who knows. 

 

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I think I have a signed copy of that Rosen book. Haven’t read it yet. All we know about the May/Yoko thing is the conflicting things each of them say. Pick who you believe, I guess. 

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Did Yoko oppose anything that May said? I don’t really know. 

But John saying he had to dismiss his & May’s relationship to play up to the JohnYoko image sounds a little too convenient.

 

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May says Yoko was always calling John during the Lost Weekend. Yoko says John was always calling her.

Also, there is the story that she and John started the affair on their own and ran off together, while Yoko says the whole thing was her idea because she needed space.

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There is also the narrative that John was free and happy with May and sad and imprisoned with Yoko. If you read May’s book, though, it’s plain to see no matter how she sugar-coats it that John was miserable until he went back to Yoko. He would even get drunk and shout out Yoko’s name in desperation.

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I think people tend to overlook that the reason Yoko was unhappy in the first place was because John cheated on her. It happened the night of the 1972 presidential election. I don’t think she ever forgave him for that and they lost some closeness.

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I think like the Dakota years, the truth about the Lost Weekend is also somewhere in between. 

Peter Doggett paints a balanced picture where he says that while it started with extreme drunkeness, John did get his act together once he went to New York when he realised that it was getting too much.

 

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Jolly Jimmy said
This is slightly off topic, but I didn’t like it when John released love songs specifically for his wife (mentioning her by name) which the rest of the world cannot relate to.  Do you feel awkward trying to sing Oh Yoko or Dear Yoko?  Paul and Ringo were also guilty of this during their solo years (unsure about George) to a lesser extant.  At least Paul’s love songs to Jane Asher during the Beatle years could have been used by many of us for our own loves.

I don’t understand why John would make this exception unless it was because he “loved” Yoko. He seemed to really care about how his music was projected and what would sell.

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I love singing Oh Yoko.

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Well, some people love their pets as regular family members, so if Yoko loved John as a pet she probably loved John very much.

Yeah, I know….I just meant that he was sort of at her mercy, she was very independent, he was too dependent.

Love is a flower you got to let it grow.

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Well, some people love their pets as regular family members, so if Yoko loved John as a pet she probably loved John very much.

Yeah, I know….I just meant that he was sort of at her mercy, she was very independent, he was too dependent.

In the Playboy interview just before his death he answered that accusation by saying he never did anything he didn’t want to, if I remember correctly.

I don’t see why fans think they know better than he did what was good for him.

I know I don’t like it when people criticize my life choices.

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So long as they’re your choices, no one should criticize you.

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