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29 August 2013
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Derek_Francis said
SatanHimself said
Short answer is “yes, but…”.That’s the best way to summarize.
Sad that an intelligent man like Lennon totally got used, but no doubt the relationship made him happy.
Welcome aboard @Derek_Francis
While I agree with the sentiment – most relationships are about being used. It may also be that he used Yoko to leverage himself away from the Beatles, he always seemed to be one to avoid direct conflict.
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7.36am
20 January 2016
Offline Thanks. The handling of the estate with Julian alone disqualifies her from being a good person overall, but she was good for John. You are right. John wasn’t really happy with his life of being in a popular band with screaming fans. He sought a completely different direction and Yoko gave that to him. Just because Yoko was controlling doesn’t mean she was loving too. I don’t think someone would be next to someone they didn’t love 24/7. Everyone loves differently. Some people like to be more dominant and some people like to be more submissive. To have your partner involved in literally all your affairs is a dead-ringer sign of really controlling. I’ve known people in similar situations have a nasty breakup, but John wanted to be taken away like you said.
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I wonder if Yoko died would John included Kyoko in the estate?
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Offline Annadog40 said
I wonder if Yoko died would John included Kyoko in the estate?
I’m not sure that’s the same thing. The estate was John’s and Julian drew the short straw. Comparatively, Yoko did not have much of an estate to be left to anyone – Kyoko or otherwise – until John died.
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12.30pm
22 January 2016
Offline I don’t think Yoko loved John because of the fact she kept John away from everyone. I mean Paul and John were hanging but Yoko would try to break them apart.Not only that but She got angry John could be happy without her when it was her to plan out the affair John had. So it makes me wonder if she cared. I mean she had be rude in mkaing John cut all ties with friends and family and only have him be with her.
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29 August 2013
Offline SayaOtonashi said
I don’t think Yoko loved John because of the fact she kept John away from everyone. I mean Paul and John were hanging but Yoko would try to break them apart.Not only that but She got angry John could be happy without her when it was her to plan out the affair John had. So it makes me wonder if she cared. I mean she had be rude in mkaing John cut all ties with friends and family and only have him be with her.
Well, it might seem a bit obsessive and controlling; doesn’t mean love wasn’t at the heart of it.
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4.42pm
1 November 2013
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Annadog40 said
I wonder if Yoko died would John included Kyoko in the estate?I’m not sure that’s the same thing. The estate was John’s and Julian drew the short straw. Comparatively, Yoko did not have much of an estate to be left to anyone – Kyoko or otherwise – until John died.
But Yoko did have things under her own name. She wasn’t a no name without John.
4.51pm
22 January 2016
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SayaOtonashi said
I don’t think Yoko loved John because of the fact she kept John away from everyone. I mean Paul and John were hanging but Yoko would try to break them apart.Not only that but She got angry John could be happy without her when it was her to plan out the affair John had. So it makes me wonder if she cared. I mean she had be rude in mkaing John cut all ties with friends and family and only have him be with her.Well, it might seem a bit obsessive and controlling; doesn’t mean love wasn’t at the heart of it.
But it’s not love if your controlling. All abusive relationships are like that she separated him and limited his contract with his family and friends. That is controlling and abusive. She was scared John would be able t be happy without her and she couldn’t have that.
4.54pm
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29 August 2013
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trcanberra said
SayaOtonashi said
I don’t think Yoko loved John because of the fact she kept John away from everyone. I mean Paul and John were hanging but Yoko would try to break them apart.Not only that but She got angry John could be happy without her when it was her to plan out the affair John had. So it makes me wonder if she cared. I mean she had be rude in mkaing John cut all ties with friends and family and only have him be with her.Well, it might seem a bit obsessive and controlling; doesn’t mean love wasn’t at the heart of it.
But it’s not love if your controlling. All abusive relationships are like that she separated him and limited his contract with his family and friends. That is controlling and abusive. She was scared John would be able t be happy without her and she couldn’t have that.
I think the definition of love varies as much as the number of people who have an opinion on it. I think love can be healthy or unhealthy or anywhere in-between. As the wiki suggests:
“This diversity of uses and meanings combined with the complexity of the feelings involved makes love unusually difficult to consistently define, compared to other emotional states.”
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4.57pm
3 August 2012
Offline John absolutely loved her so I don’t think it matters.
They were both happy as far as we know by the time John died.
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5.01pm
1 November 2013
Offline SayaOtonashi said
trcanberra said
SayaOtonashi said
I don’t think Yoko loved John because of the fact she kept John away from everyone. I mean Paul and John were hanging but Yoko would try to break them apart.Not only that but She got angry John could be happy without her when it was her to plan out the affair John had. So it makes me wonder if she cared. I mean she had be rude in mkaing John cut all ties with friends and family and only have him be with her.Well, it might seem a bit obsessive and controlling; doesn’t mean love wasn’t at the heart of it.
But it’s not love if your controlling. All abusive relationships are like that she separated him and limited his contract with his family and friends. That is controlling and abusive. She was scared John would be able to be happy without her and she couldn’t have that.
John was controlling of Cynthia yet that relationship doesn’t come into question nearly as much. Some people like the idea of controlling or being controlled in a relationship.
Your comments made me think about how this relationship is like the Bella and Edward relationship in twilight.
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trcanberra, pepperland, Wigwam10.09pm
22 January 2016
Offline Did John love Cynthia ? I mean it’s be unhealthy to be in a controlling relationships. When it’s focused and abusive.
6.52am
1 November 2013
Offline I think he did love her at first, then grew tired of her.
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Offline I think Yoko and John had a massive insane desire for each other that could very easily be confused with love, and maybe it was to them, however I also think she was attracted by the position and opportunities being with John gave her.
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6.03pm
12 May 2015
Offline I think their initial passion was a huge turning point in both john and yoko’s lives. But i get the feeling that by a certain point john realised that he had just exchanged one prison for another.
When it became clear lennon could not make yoko a huge star they both just settled into the image of ‘john and yoko’ ,i doubt lennon could ever be free of that as this time it was something that he was entirely responsible for.
6.55pm
18 April 2013
Offline John went back to Yoko after May Pang. It was his choice. He must have decided Yoko was better than freedom. I know the Yoko haters want desperately to believe John disliked Yoko too, but he didn’t.
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7.00pm
17 October 2013
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trcanberra said
SayaOtonashi said
I don’t think Yoko loved John because of the fact she kept John away from everyone. I mean Paul and John were hanging but Yoko would try to break them apart.Not only that but She got angry John could be happy without her when it was her to plan out the affair John had. So it makes me wonder if she cared. I mean she had be rude in mkaing John cut all ties with friends and family and only have him be with her.Well, it might seem a bit obsessive and controlling; doesn’t mean love wasn’t at the heart of it.
We can agree to disagree………
But I think Yoko is so wrapped up in herself that throughout her life, whatever fears and passions and drugs and mental disorders that have dominated she has been incapable of feeling love.
……Other the love that is ‘Yoko loves Yoko.’ John, Sean, Kyoko were vehicles.
Kyoko was discarded……John a means to an end……Sean a connection to John’s fame……That’s why she never remarried ……..She holds on to ‘Brand Lennon’
Without it we would never have heard of her.
7.02pm
18 April 2013
Offline I’m laughing at your post, Wigwam. I think it’s hilarious that you think you know Yoko’s innermost thoughts and feelings.
Then again, people are probably having a laugh at my posts, too!
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7.33pm
17 October 2013
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I’m laughing at your post, Wigwam. I think it’s hilarious that you think you know Yoko’s innermost thoughts and feelings.
I don’t know Yoko’s innermost thoughts any better or worse than you do……..
I’ve come to my conclusions from nothing more than observations from afar. They may be worthless! I may be wrong. But it’s unfair to resort to derision when I simply voice an opinion you, and perhaps many others disagree with.
I don’t know why you find my observations so laughable when you believe that millions of planets and stars have spent billions of years lining themselves up just to let you know that you’ll “meet someone with nice eyes today.”
Which belief is the more far-fetched?
In any case we know it’s written in the stars we will never agree on Yoko.
Have a good day and I hope you aren’t troubled by the heavy snowfall in the States.
I’m sure Yoko is out there looking for hands in the stuff.
8.52pm
18 April 2013
Offline I wasn’t laughing in a derisive way. It just struck me as funny.
As for astrology, I just happen to believe that man is a universe in miniature. “As above, so below.”
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