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And how’s that been working out so far? 
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Annadog40 said
What is love?
Baby don’t hurt me, dont hurt me, no more.
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Offline I’m not a Yoko hater – but I don’t think she loved John. It is possible to believe the latter without being the former.
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vonbontee said
Damn, now I’ve gone and deleted my previous post,You can do that?
I think he meant edited. I had to add a clarification to my own response.
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And how’s that been working out so far?
I’m WINNING.
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I hope to use my superior arguing skills to accomplish the conversion of Yoko haters.
Have you ever tried to convert a Bible Belt conservative Christian to paganism? 
“Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit” (“Perhaps one day it will be a pleasure to look back on even this”; Virgil, The Aeneid, Book 1, line 203, where Aeneas says this to his men after the shipwreck that put them on the shores of Africa)
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Offline Oudis said
Expert Textpert said
I hope to use my superior arguing skills to accomplish the conversion of Yoko haters.
Have you ever tried to convert a Bible Belt conservative Christian to paganism?
That might be easier to do, Oudis. I am now a certified heathen, but I can’t stand Yoko’s music.
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17 October 2013
Offline I would think quite a few of the threads on here are contrived or pointless…….. But even so they can contain nuggets of information, or entertain……or give us pause for thought.
I recall being slightly embarrassed about subscribing at 16 to the ‘Beatles’ Monthly’ Having it delivered rather than asking for one over the counter…….And as for actually joining the Fan Club? Being a ‘fan’ of a group rather than a ‘fan’ of a football team meant to me (stereotype warning) soppy girls drooling over their photos!
I was into their music…..And constantly gob-smacked by their ability to write. The Beatle’s monthly gave little insights or hints as to what was coming next.
I gorged myself that Christmas on The White Album . There was so much to get stuck into.
At sometime or other I became interested in the group’s power-play…..Who had the A sides. Who’s songs were most well received? Stacking them against each other……Most tuneful…..Most innovative…..Most thought provoking. And also, like a soap opera……their relationships.
John and Yoko’s relationship dominated. I was all for it…..And for them. It was exciting and John seemed over-the-moon in love. I was less happy as later she seemed to be either the catalyst for their distancing from each other or she was acting as a deliberate wedge. “he’s mine now Paul, he listens to me’.
Whatever? At the very least she became one of the grounds they would clash over.
My personal view to this day is that John was losing it. Either through boredom or Paul’s powerful and relentless musicality. After Brian’s support died Paul’s star was ascending……He was taking over.
Yoko came at the right time for John. He was spell-bound…….enraptured……..excited. He didn’t have to carry on the sibling rivalry with Paul or counter the more forceful and self-assured George…….In some ways it could be argued John was already number 3 on Abbey Road .
The Beatles were not a soap opera…….. With all John’s stations tuned to Yoko the Beatles had to end…….And it was a great end.
………So I don’t blame Yoko for the part she played in the end.
But it’s my opinion, for good or bad…..and as pointless as it is to speculate….That she didn’t love John. ‘Ex tex’ feels it. I can respect if disagree. Some others I believe to be contrarians buying into her feeble artistry in the hope that it will be seen to have stature. Maybe it will.
…….But it wouldn’t prove she loved him.
The rich or famous know that their fame……or their riches are seductive.
You reckon Diana married Charles out of love?
Yoko played her cards right at the right time. She gave John everything he needed. Except, (what I’d speculatively bet he actually knew deep down) ‘Real Love ‘.
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Offline I would even argue that this thread is less pointless than 80% of the posts on here.
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Offline Maybe not “pointless”, but nobody’s opinion has been swayed, or is very likely to be. We Yoko-supporters will remain a minority.
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Offline True. Still, I agree with Atlas that these questions provide opportunities for us to share our knowledge. Entertaining the other side never hurt anyone. It helps to be informed.
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17 October 2013
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It helps to be informed.
It helped Yoko.
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Offline I’ve just skimmed thru a thread on another Beatles forum (you have to be a registered member of the forum to view the threads so no point posting a link) dedicated to slagging Yoko off and if you think here is unfair the other thread would leave you needing therapy – and dont try and defend her as the replies are not tolerant of such people. Most of the comments have the most ludicrous claims including some adamant that Yoko was entirely and solely responsible for the Beatles split. I thought that view point was lost by Beatles fans years ago but obviously not.
Makes me appreciate here more.
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vonbontee said
Damn, now I’ve gone and deleted my previous post,You can do that?
If you’re clumsy/lazy/rushed, you can accidentally delete a labored-over post while trying to add one little edit to it!
GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty.
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Annadog40 said
vonbontee said
Damn, now I’ve gone and deleted my previous post,You can do that?
If you’re clumsy/lazy/rushed, you can accidentally delete a labored-over post while trying to add one little edit to it!
I do this all the time! If I can remember, I take checkpoints by selecting all the text, then if I delete it I can just paste it back in. It may be hard to believe, but I’ve spent 3 hours laboring over & researching a post because I keep deleting it. Although some of you may have different opinions on how much research I do before posting 
I hate my laptop keyboard, it’s got those stupid special keys that my thumb pads inevitably press and cause all manner of havoc, like my browser getting stuck while it waits for two new windows, 3 file include boxes, the html editor and bookmarks on the left come up :/
For something on topic: I am not downing Yoko here, just giving my opinion of their relationship. I think John and Yoko’s relationship, at least the first few years, might be better called “codependence” than “love”. But I think after the breakup their relationship developed in a loving one. John was sick during the first few years they were together (drugs). Yoko probably took advantage of this in some way, probably forcing her decisions on him. I do think Yoko was a mite controlling and jealous of his relationships with other people. When they retreated into their NYC apartment and away from the world, I guess it worked for them. Yoko is still rather possessive of John and his music.
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I have been thinking about the premise of this question, at least how it has been taken here.
I believe the original question was about the state of John and Yoko’s relationship at the time of his death. Some people here have chosen to widen the question to make it “Did Yoko ever love John?” and have answered no.
To those who have decided to suggest Yoko never loved John, I say what a massive insult you are making to John.
They spent (off and on, though mainly on) 12 years together, and some people in this thread are suggesting this clever man we admire was duped the whole way through their relationship.
A sad reflection that some people here think John was so stupid and easily fooled.
Sorry, just what I think!
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I have been thinking about the premise of this question, at least how it has been taken here.I believe the original question was about the state of John and Yoko’s relationship at the time of his death. Some people here have chosen to widen the question to make it “Did Yoko ever love John?” and have answered no.
To those who have decided to suggest Yoko never loved John, I say what a massive insult you are making to John.
They spent (off and on, though mainly on) 12 years together, and some people in this thread are suggesting this clever man we admire was duped the whole way through their relationship.
A sad reflection that some people here think John was so stupid and easily fooled.
Sorry, just what I think!
“Love is the most noble form of madness” John Donne
A lot of sane men and I suspect an equal number of sane and rational women have been ‘slaves to love’………finding it in the wrong place…..And while all their friends scream advice….. They themselves won’t be told….They are ‘loved up’ and know better……Choosing to ignore the evidence until they are numbed to it.
Are you saying that that doesn’t happen? Ever? Not a possibility?
I think you must concede that it does happen….Often……and therefore is a possibility.
Or are you saying it only happens to weak or ‘stupid’ people?
The twists and turns of history abound with strong, highly intelligent men and women reduced to mush by love.
Last time you solicited the blanket condemnation of Yoko’s detractors by hinting that such a view must be racist in origin.
Now you resort to another emotional argument…….. If we criticize Yoko we are insulting John…….’massively’.
Well I’m sorry too, Yoko isn’t off-limits…….Yoko was and is a divisive figure it’s not surprising that…..
…..Opinions differ……….
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Offline Here’s my take a little more fleshed out – and I will concede it’s a strange thread
I don’t believe Yoko ever loved John. I think she was and is an opportunist who used John to advance her career. (the way she used all men – John even says this). I believe they had an early period of infatuation – sexual, artistic etc infatuation.
This lasted awhile and their notoriety drew them closer as they became under attack. All this time I don’t think Yoko loved John and John took up Yoko’s defense because it was his own defense as well.
As things calmed down, John’s music and reputation suffered, Yoko tried to establish her own identity, John began playing the field, screwing that girl in the NY apt with Yoko right outside the door, also John always was infatuated with Paul McCartney (yes that’s what I’m saying) and Yoko knew it and hated it – until finally Yoko threw John out and he left happily to the West Coast to go be a bachelor again ( actually for once).
Back in NY with May Pang Yoko lured him over to her apt. got him to cancel recording with Paul in New Orleans (Venus And Mars ) – she was losing her control over him and his estate and she needed him physically there to ensure her future – her “art” did not take off independently as she’d hoped and so she once again preyed upon his love for her (I think he sort of loved her) and got him back to the Dakota.
At this point they both (as more mature people) realized it was foolishness to not try and make it – thus the immigration battle, legal battles and getting pregnant calmed everything down. Although they did not spend a lot of time together. He traveled all over – she work 18 hour days.
Long winded – but essentially I think John loved Yoko – but he loved a lot of women – John loved women! But I don’t think Yoko ever loved John.
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I hate my laptop keyboard, it’s got those stupid special keys that my thumb pads inevitably press and cause all manner of havoc, like my browser getting stuck while it waits for two new windows, 3 file include boxes, the html editor and bookmarks on the left come up :/
Hey, @Matt Busby, I hate my laptop keyboard too, so I don’t use it. You seriously should check out this Apple wireless aluminum Bluetooth keyboard:
Apple sells ’em for $69; you can probably get them cheaper on Ebay. It is incredibly light, compact and unobtrusive. It has a really nice touch and feedback–it is just about perfect. If you are frustrated with a lousy keyboard, it will change your life.
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