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18 April 2013
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Zig said
Annadog40 said
Since John is all wrapped up, why don’t we see if Ringo Starr has gay leanings. Ringo Starr ‘s heterosexuality never comes into question so let’s question it!
No. I don’t think Ringo did.
Which one would you like to question next?
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Zig said
Annadog40 said
Since John is all wrapped up, why don’t we see if Ringo Starr has gay leanings. Ringo Starr ‘s heterosexuality never comes into question so let’s question it!
No. I don’t think Ringo did.
I found a Thread that says otherwise
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Offline Now that’s funny, right there! Yoko seems to be more interested in her cigarette and the camera than she is in anybody’s genitalia. What year was that photo taken?
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18 April 2013
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Now that’s funny, right there! Yoko seems to be more interested in her cigarette and the camera than she is in anybody’s genitalia. What year was that photo taken?
Good question..I would say it would have to be in New York…my guess (totally guessing) would be 1972.
I have to say that this revelation from Yoko about John’s sexuality answers a few questions for me. It certainly explains some of his angst, anger, and generally rebellious attitude. He obviously could not reconcile his sexual identity with his self image. I’m not saying his attraction to men was the single most important factor in his personality or anything, but it certainly explains some conflicts along the way.
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Offline I’m new here but I wonder if the honeymoon that Paul and John took to Gay Paris, just before superstardom, has been addressed?
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18 April 2013
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I’m new here but I wonder if the honeymoon that Paul and John took to Gay Paris, just before superstardom, has been addressed?
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Offline While we are at it has anyone addressed pauls teenage hitchhiking trips to wales with george ?
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While we are at it has anyone addressed pauls teenage hitchhiking trips to wales with george ?
They slept in the same sleeping bag and George was clingy when he slept.
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18 April 2013
Offline I bought back Philip Norman’s biography of John so that I could re-read all those clues about John liking men now that it turns out he really did have those gay leanings. I got a 4 dollar ex-library copy. It came from a library in Christianised St. Croix in the US Virgin Islands. I’ve never even heard of that place.
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1 November 2013
Offline I was thinking back on an interview where the reporter joked that Paul and George were gay since they were the unmarried Beatles at the time and George played along and joked that he kept proposing and Paul always says no. While when John was confronted with him being gay, he beat up the guy. Are there any other examples of the Beatles being called gay and their reactions to the accusation?
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Ringo tells Larry Kane that he’d been called queer by a lot of people. He was telling it with regards to people having a problem if they (apart from John as he was married) went out with girls, and when they did not. If they did, girls would be upset, if they didn’t, people would call them gay or queer as that was the word in those days. So it was a situation of damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I got a feeling that Ringo was pretty irritated with it.
As for John beating Wooler up, I never thought it was a knee jerk reaction, considering people were talking about him & Brian pretty openly. If I’m right, some of the girls in the NEMS even asked him what a homosexual was, and he very patiently did explain it to them, much to his credit. And at the party, Wooler kept pestering him about his honeymoon with Brian, and all this led to the outburst. I certainly think it had been boiling up.
Btw, the interview that you were referring to, Starr Shine makes me think whether it was a done thing to ask people openly whether they were gay in those days considering homosexuality wasn’t even legal then? Even if they were, who would admit to it?
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Offline John was heavily drunk when he severely beat up Wooler so no doubt the alcohol played a big part. From the ‘Anthology’ book:
JOHN: Cyn was having a baby and the holiday was planned, but I wasn’t going to break the holiday for a baby: I just thought what a b*****d I was and went. I watched Brian picking up boys, and I liked playing it a bit faggy – it’s enjoyable.70
It was my first experience with a homosexual that I was conscious was a homosexual. We used to sit in a café in Torremolinos looking at all the boys and I’d say, ‘Do you like that one? Do you like this one?’ I was rather enjoying the experience, thinking like a writer all the time: ‘I am experiencing this.’ It was almost a love-affair, but not quite. It was not consummated. But it was a pretty intense relationship.80
But those rumours back in Liverpool! The first national press we got, the back page of the Daily Mirror, was me beating up Bob Wooler at Paul’s twenty-first. That was the first ‘Lennon hits out’ story. I was so bad the next day. We had a BBC appointment; they all went down in the train, and I wouldn’t come. Brian was pleading with me to go, and I was saying, ‘I’m not!’ – I was so afraid of nearly killing Wooler.
Bob had insinuated that me and Brian had had an affair in Spain. And I must have been frightened of the fag in me to get so angry. I was out of my mind with drink. (You know, when you get down to the point where you want to drink out of all the empty glasses; that drunk.) And Bob was saying, ‘Come on, John, tell me about you and Brian – we all know.’ You know when you’re twenty-one, you want to be a man – if somebody said it now I wouldn’t give a s**t, but I was beating the s**t out of him, hitting him with a big stick, and for the first time I thought, ‘I can kill this guy.’ I just saw it, like on a screen: if I hit him once more, that’s going to be it. I really got shocked. That’s when I gave up violence, because all my life I’d been like that.72
He sued me afterwards; I paid him ?200 to settle it. That’s probably the last real fight I’ve ever had.67 From then on – apart from occasionally hitting my dear wife, in the early days when I was a bit crazy (I can’t say I’m non-violent, because I will go crazy sometimes) – I stopped that.72
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Offline LoveUlikeGuitars said
Why is “You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away ” is seen as a Brian song?
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1 November 2013
Offline Something that bugged me when I looked at McLennon was that John was always the dominant one in the relationship. I am not sure if he would be since, from the outside, it looks more like Yoko is the one dominating and when he was with the comparatively more submissive Cynthia he was far less satisifed.
Would John be more dominant?
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Something that bugged me when I looked at McLennon was that John was always the dominant one in the relationship. I am not sure if he would be since, from the outside, it looks more like Yoko is the one dominating and when he was with the comparatively more submissive Cynthia he was far less satisifed.
Would John be more dominant?
In the first few stories — then Paul would gain dominance. That is if the authors followed The Beatles storyline.
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