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BorrowedTime84 said
Fair point @ewe2 but you should tell Bob Gruen that. The man gives almost every indication that it wasn’t just drugs. THREE guys don’t go in ONE bathroom stall to do coke. Especially in the 70s. Plus, Bowie is gay/bi fyi.
Yes they DO, Robin Williams was making JOKES about it in the early 1980’s. I’ve been around the block, I don’t need reminding of Bowie’s sexuality, and if you naively think that one guy making an insinuation about one time without any evidence or corroboration or history of Lennon going into stalls at Studio 54 with men over a period of time, you still need to finish walking the block too. Not to mention the assumption that Bowie automatically makes a move on Lennon because well he’s bi and they all do that apparently, it’s some kind of law, and I suppose the other guy was there to drive them out of the stall 
Maybe the cowboy boots did it dun dun dunnnn. It’s laughable. Hell, knowing Lennon and Bowie’s sense of humour, it was exactly the kind of thing they’d insinuate themselves to enjoy idiots like Gruen squeeing over the possibility. Gosh, maybe it would bump the sales of a book too, perhaps?
The problem with all these supposed exposes is that there’s no continuity to them. Lennon probably did experiment at some point, but if it was a significant part of his sexuality he’d have a history a mile wide that numerous people could attest. Why do you want to believe it?
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@ewe2 as long as you realize that Bob Gruen was an extremely close friend of John Lennon ‘s in the 1970’s and if you watch his interviews in documentaries you can tell he’s a sincere/honest guy. Look I don’t know what happened in the stall, but I do know that I believe this story in Gruen’s book. At the end of the day I’d just like to know the truth about an idol of mine, John Lennon .
p.s. Do you have evidence of the fact that men going in stalls together to do drugs was commonplace in the 70s? If so i’d like to read about it and maybe it can make more sense of this story
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@ewe2 as long as you realize that Bob Gruen was an extremely close friend of John Lennon ‘s in the 1970’s and if you watch his interviews in documentaries you can tell he’s a sincere/honest guy.
Close friends make stuff up too, that’s all I’ll say. It’s your choice to believe it, I don’t.
p.s. Do you have evidence of the fact that men going in stalls together to do drugs was commonplace in the 70s? If so i’d like to read about it and maybe it can make more sense of this story
If you want evidence for people doing drugs in nightclubs, you really do need to make google your friend and learn about the world. They’ve been doing it for a lot longer than the 70s. I nominated Robin Williams because he was famous for his cocaine jokes, one of which mentions men going into toilets together to snort. But to save time, google “studio 54 cocaine toilets stalls”.
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Offline Wasn’t there stories of John going to the bathroom and doing some snorting so he could soothe his nerves before the few early solo live shows he did or am i saying something i could be sued for? If im wrong i’m sorry, no offence was intended.
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I’ve got no idea exactly which drugs used in which era, though I would guess he was familiar with cocaine by the time A Hard Day’s Night was filmed, purely going by that scene where he “sniffs [a] coke”. In any case, whatever went on in that stall is anybody’s guess.
The only thing of relevance in this discussion, at least to me, is this: if (and I say IF) John was bisexual, or homosexual even, it’s a damn shame he lived in a time and a world where he wasn’t able to be open about it. Nobody should have to hide who they really are.
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I’ve got no idea exactly which drugs used in which era, though I would guess he was familiar with cocaine by the time A Hard Day’s Night was filmed, purely going by that scene where he “sniffs [a] coke”.
I don’t think that bit had anything to do with drugs…it’s actually a bottle of Pepsi. (Plus did people even refer to cocaine as coke in those days?)
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AppleScruffJunior said
AG offered a quest and I never turn down challenges!
ASJ, I’m going to be in France for three weeks in May. I feel like I need to hire you to be my instant translator via BB PM.
What part of France are you going to?
And I’ll happily be your instant translator so long as you pay for the phone bill I’ll get if we’re instant translating 
@Von Bontee ‘Coke’ has been used as slang for cocaine since the early 1900’s, first documented use was in 1908. ‘Coke sniffer’ was being used at the same time as well.
I think that was the joke though “ha John’s snorting coke” meant for the adult fans or parents who had to bring their kids to the cinema I imagine.
I mean who would just put a Fanta (for example) up to their nose for no reason.
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Paris for the first week, then Antibes for a week, then back to Paris for a couple of days
I’ve never been to Paris, I’m only ever in the south.
Antibes is gorgeous I was there a couple of years ago doing a language course but since it’s a tourist town all of the shop owners speak English so you’ll be fine. Make sure to visit the Picasso museum!
And ‘stay on topic’ and all that yep, yep….
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BorrowedTime84 said
Wow. Ok so in my mind from that, John Lennon and David Bowie got it on.
Hey… you forgot Tony!
Yeah, I’m not sure how you’re able to leap to these conclusions. You repeatedly say Mr. Gruen talks about seeing 3 pairs of cowboy boots appearing under the bathroom stall. I’m going to assume feet were still in said boots, otherwise Mr. Gruen is remiss in not pointing out that at least somebody’s feet were not in boots.
So how does the logistics in this work? I’ve never partaken in gay sex, so it’ll have to be explained to me how three grown men ‘get it on’ in a single bathroom stall. Three full-size men (I’m assuming… Tony could be a midget) inside a toilet built for one, and all their feet are on the floor. What type of gay sex, exactly, can you have in this manner? Was it a circle jerk? Is that saying two of the biggest names in Rock ‘n Roll…and Tony the limo driver… with all that wealth and fame and power… stood packed into a tiny bathroom stall and just rubbed each other off?
Or were they maybe… actually…. doing lines of cocaine… holding the mirror between them, as was done back then.
Hmmm… yep, definitely need more evidence on this one. Perhaps Mr. Gruen (wanting to perpetuate sales of a book he had written) was tempted to insinuate something else occurred. How that might potentially help the sales of his book… I’m not a rocket scientist.
I think the real issue here, on the big-picture scale, are people projecting a sexual orientation on a personality. There are reasons for doing that, from what I’ve learned, but I’m not going there. If Lennon was gay, he was gay. If he also enjoyed the company of women, then he was bisexual. If either of these bits of information are earth-shattering… wow.
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Offline I think you’ve hit the nail on the head in your final paragraph. This thread is fascinating to me, not because of whether John was gay or not (for what it’s worth, I have not the slightest doubt that he absolutely was not), but because there seems to be a very strong wish that he was, as a result of which every last bit of “evidence” that could possibly be interpreted even slightly towards him being gay gets that interpretation.
There is so much strong evidence that he was resolutely heterosexual – extreme heterosexual promiscuity, testimony to that effect from everyone who knew him, the Bob Wooler incident, the alternate lyric to Baby You’re A Rich Man , the “quip” about the title of Epstein’s autobiography – that I have the feeling he was actually bordering on homophobic, which many heterosexual males in the 60s (myself included) were. More enlightened times bring tolerance and acceptance, but don’t change one’s sexual orientation.
I’m aware of the argument that homophobia masks latent homosexuality: that’s an argument which, based on my personal orientation, I regard as complete rubbish.
And it is possible to exhibit curiosity about homosexuality while remaining completely heterosexual.
I remain convinced that John was heterosexual in every way, but that there are a lot of people – on and off this board – who would love it if he weren’t, and project that wish onto him.
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Offline I don’t wish he were gay or bi, I just think he probably leaned in that direction.
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Offline I don’t wish him (or anyone, for that matter) to be gay either. I wish for everyone to be themselves, and to have the freedom to express who they are.
In the sixties, some people had to hide significant parts of their identity. Actually, people still are judged and discriminated against for being gay, bi, trans, etc. When is humanity going to learn love is universal?
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When is humanity going to learn love is universal?
When people accept pedophilia (age of consant is variable in the us so one couple who are 16 and 19 can have sex in one state and another state, the 19 year old will be charged with statutory rape) and consensual incest
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Funny Paper said
it’s just my impression. One, of course, can’t really absolutely know such things about any couple —
My point exactly. Yet that doesn’t stop people on this forum from making such absolute assertions about the nature of John and Yoko’s relationship. My warning is to the young and impressionable Beatles fans: Just because a bunch of people say things in a forum, doesn’t make them true.
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Why do people have to keep turning threads about John into attacks on Yoko?
And when they’re not doing that, they’re busy asserting what a creep John was, most often inserting a comparison to the virtuous and noble Mr. McCartney (whom I love but who was/is probably just as flawed as Mr. Lennon).
I think the gay leanings thing has played itself out, however. How much more “evidence” can be dug up on a man who has been gone for more than 30 years?
Just passing by. Not really interested as nobody knows anything for sure. However, there are lots of evidences ( concerning Paul as well) and some were not mentioned here. Remembering if homossexuality were not still considered something shameful ( it is not!) nobody would be shocked with this possibility. John may not have leanings, but if he had, what is the problem? Anyway, adding only a few curiosities. John called his time away from Yoko of “Lost Weekend”. This happens to be the title of a famous book about a man who was driking to death…and had gay leanings. John’s little poem to the book about Gay Liberation. He wrote it on the first person as if he was gay himself. The song he and Paul wrote called ” Johnny Johnny, I don’t know”. It was written in 1960. See the lyrics. John says he loves Paul. Paul says something like. ” You are my boy, are you going to tell my dad?” The song called Now And Then written in 1978. There was a sticker on the tape written “For Paul” in his handwriting. John’s comparing the Beatles parties to Satyricon movie by Fellini. He insisted it was just like that and sugested people to watch the movie. I have the book and wondered if the movie was just the same. Because it is a gay book, mainly. I watched the movie and it is the same. Most scenes are gay scenes and it has a gay plot. There are some women but it is a gay story and John said their parties was just like that. Paul answered saying John exaggerated, which I believe he did. But Paul let us think it was only for the girls, as if he didn’t know what the movie is all about. For me he pretended to ignore it. I get his point. He didn’t want people to talk about it. But…watch the movie. Their influence from the Beat Generation poets and writers, who were mostly gays and talking openly about it. I said “their” because it seems all the Beatles liked them. The name Beatles were inspired on them too and not only on beat music. Les Beat. Paul was very close to Ginsberg. I know being close to a gay man is not evidence. I am just saying they were influenced to them a lot, they even visited Jack Kerouac while in USA, and the Beat Generation sort of promoted bi/gay life style. The evidences are endless. I will stop here cause it would be too long. Only adding there is nothing wrong in having gay leanings. Most interesting men do have. Really. No need to find excuses as “Being curious, lots of drugs, being experimental”. People simply have the right to have their sexual life anyway they want. If John ever tried, I can’t say. Nobody here can say. As nobody can say he never did. Something I agree to Lennonista: Nobody can be sure if Paul and Linda were that happy couple as they paint. I can’t. Never lived close to them, unfortunately.
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