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18 April 2013
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From a 1983 interview…I was kind of shocked to read both comments:
On Yoko:
“I have to admit Yoko was a good wife and mother and, thank goodness, I told John so long before…Yoko is a sensible girl.”
On Cynthia:
“One day I came home to find John moping around with a long face–he would have been about nineteen. ‘It’s to do with Cynthia,’ he said at last. ‘She’s coming round to see you. She’s got something to say.’ Then he went up to his room. I knew Cynthia had been keen on John ever since they studied together at college. I knew she was making a play for him, but I didn’t know exactly what was going on. When she arrived I let her in and called upstairs for John. He came down crying his heart out. ‘Whatever is the matter, John?’ I said. Then clinging to me just like he did as a child he blurted out, ‘Cynthia wants us to get married. Please, I don’t want to get married.’ I asked Cynthia if it was true and she nodded. Cynthia said she’d called round to ask my permission because John wasn’t yet twenty-one. I got John on his own and asked him outright if he loved her, he shook his head saying he wasn’t sure. That settled it. I went to Cynthia and looking straight into her eyes I said I would not give my consent.”
I’ve heard before that Cynthia “pursued” John, but I didn’t know she was quite this pushy until now.
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5.44pm
8 November 2012
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I’ve heard before that Cynthia “pursued” John, but I didn’t know she was quite this pushy until now.
Cynthia tells a much different story – that when she got pregnant, it was John who suggested that they get married – so I’m taking this with a grain of salt.
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DrBeatle6.21pm
18 April 2013
Offline John perceived that Cynthia was still pursuing him during the Lost Weekend, so this statement makes sense to me.
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7.34pm
8 November 2012
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John perceived that Cynthia was still pursuing him during the Lost Weekend, so this statement makes sense to me.
I also talk a lot of what John had to say with a grain of salt.
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14 April 2010
Offline Expert Textpert said
From a 1983 interview…I was kind of shocked to read both comments:
On Yoko:
“I have to admit Yoko was a good wife and mother and, thank goodness, I told John so long before…Yoko is a sensible girl.”
I would love to know the source of that 1983 interview, ExTex. In this one from 2 years earlier, she made remarks about Yoko that were not derogatory but not flattering either. See about 5:02 in.
As for Cyn, everything I’ve read up to this point (including Tune In) states that it was John’s idea to get married.
Please pass the salt, parlance.
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9.17pm
18 April 2013
Offline I’ve also read some somewhat disparaging remarks from her. She appears to have changed her mind.
The information I have is Bournemouth, 1983, copyright Liverpool Life Archives.
It’s reproduced in a book called The Lost Beatles Interviews. Here is another forum discussing it:
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9.45pm
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14 April 2010
Offline Interesting. It is the first time I’ve ever heard or read about Cyn being the pursuer of the marriage. Every other account had John pursuing her from day 1 in art school. Admittedly, she did start to encourage his advances, but it’s still very hard for me to take this “Lost” interview as gospel. It makes one wonder who “Found” it.
I appreciate your posting it just the same. 
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10.29pm
18 April 2013
Offline Zig said
Interesting. It is the first time I’ve ever heard or read about Cyn being the pursuer of the marriage. Every other account had John pursuing her from day 1 in art school. Admittedly, she did start to encourage his advances, but it’s still very hard for me to take this “Lost” interview as gospel. It makes one wonder who “Found” it.
I appreciate your posting it just the same.
I think Phillip Norman portrays Cynthia that way, but I could be wrong. I know I’ve read elsewhere that she instigated the relationship.
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11.41pm
5 February 2014
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Women… sheesh.
11.55pm
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1 May 2011
Offline You’ll find interviews with Mimi talking about John here, Cyn is mentioned in the first post (dated as being from 1970 but must be later) where she says
Q: What do you think changed John so much from his early days as a carefree kid?
Smith: She’s responsible for all this, Yoko. She changed him, and I’m sure she and Linda are behind the split between John and Paul. Cynthia was such a nice girl. When she and John were in art college, she’d come to my house and say, “Oh, Mimi, what am I going to do about John?” She’d sit there until he came home. Cynthia really pursued him. He’d walk up the road and back until she got tired of waiting and went home. I think he was afraid of her, actually.
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12.51am
18 April 2013
Offline So she pretty much forced herself on him.
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1.03am
8 November 2012
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So she pretty much forced herself on him.
Again, if you believe Mimi. She didn’t like Cynthia and was protective of John, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that she was engaging in a great deal of revisionism post-divorce.
Also, the idea of John being afraid of her is so laughable I can’t take the quote seriously.
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Zig, BeatleSoul, DrBeatle1.14am
1 November 2013
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Maybe they forced themselves on each other and rushed into a relationship with out planing ahead?
1.31am
18 April 2013
Offline Or maybe he was afraid of her because of his gay leanings?
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6.12am
24 April 2013
Offline I love Auntie Mimi. She certainly was a quirky one. Always free with an opinion…
7.10am
5 February 2014
Offline Oh they weren’t free. You paid dearly when receiving her opinion.
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meanmistermustard9.28pm
15 June 2014
Offline Expert Textpert said
From a 1983 interview…I was kind of shocked to read both comments:On Yoko:
“I have to admit Yoko was a good wife and mother and, thank goodness, I told John so long before…Yoko is a sensible girl.”
On Cynthia:
“One day I came home to find John moping around with a long face–he would have been about nineteen. ‘It’s to do with Cynthia,’ he said at last. ‘She’s coming round to see you. She’s got something to say.’ Then he went up to his room. I knew Cynthia had been keen on John ever since they studied together at college. I knew she was making a play for him, but I didn’t know exactly what was going on. When she arrived I let her in and called upstairs for John. He came down crying his heart out. ‘Whatever is the matter, John?’ I said. Then clinging to me just like he did as a child he blurted out, ‘Cynthia wants us to get married. Please, I don’t want to get married.’ I asked Cynthia if it was true and she nodded. Cynthia said she’d called round to ask my permission because John wasn’t yet twenty-one. I got John on his own and asked him outright if he loved her, he shook his head saying he wasn’t sure. That settled it. I went to Cynthia and looking straight into her eyes I said I would not give my consent.”
I’ve heard before that Cynthia “pursued” John, but I didn’t know she was quite this pushy until now.
Hmm, up until now I always took Cyn as Ono portrayed above and Ono as Cyn.
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Beatlebug9.50pm
18 April 2013
Offline Yoko was certainly better at keeping him in line.
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4.21am
20 November 2017
Offline Were Yoko and Aunt Mimi ever alone together without John in the room or in the house?
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7.57am
14 November 2017
Offline I always thought John was the one who decided he and Cynthia should get married after he made her pregnant. I’m with Parlance:
parlance said
Expert Textpert said
I’ve heard before that Cynthia “pursued” John, but I didn’t know she was quite this pushy until now.Cynthia tells a much different story – that when she got pregnant, it was John who suggested that they get married – so I’m taking this with a grain of salt.
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