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11 November 2010
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I kind of doubt that that’s something that Joe is even able to do. I kind of doubt that that’s even possible within the site’s software. I could be wrong, though. I’ve been wrong before and I’ll be wrong again.
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Since it is a Beatles forum and Beatles related posts should be rewarded more than all together now posts.
Posts aren’t automatically better for the forum if they are Beatles, many of the posts and conversations in the ‘ATN ‘ forums are what helps the forum be what it is. Yes it should be Beatles focused and targeted but it’s finding the balance, which I think is good at the moment. Occasionally it might need a swift kick to get it all back in line.
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I feel like even in the ATN section, our discussion ends up somehow relating to the Beatles.
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Offline @Joe, if it’s at all possible, you should consider adding a Beatles Bible Birthday notification bar that’s similar to the normal birthday bar.
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23 July 2016
Offline I think The Beatles Bible should mention the specific instruments used per song, I made an example of this:
Also, I decided to nitpick some things for the instrumentation that aren’t quite right.
1. John didn’t have an acoustic 12 string guitar at the time of the recording of Honey Don’t
2. John played guitar on Paperback Writer
3. Paul didn’t play guitar on Oh! Darling
4. Paul didn’t play guitar on You Never Give Me Your Money
5. Paul didn’t play guitar on I’ll Follow The Sun
I’d say more but I don’t want to pressure you too hard.
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Offline ^@Joe likes it when people give references to where they got their information. Do you have sources for these statements to help him out? I’m not going to speak for him to say whether he will modify his pages or not, but thank you for making the suggestions.
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Offline Surely it would be helpful if you cited the sources upon which you base each of those claims, @HMBeatlesfan, as I know @Joe is able to cite his sources.
If he finds your arguments persuasive, he will change the article(s). I know this as I have seen make changes multiple times in response to people offering information that he was either unaware of or wasn’t known at the time he wrote the article.
Having been responsible for some of those changes, I do know that Joe prefers suggestions of changes to be made in the comments section of each article.
As to mention of specific instruments used on each song, I can’t claim to be bothered one way or another, and recognise that many of those lists of instruments differ because much is based on guesswork.
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23 July 2016
Offline Let’s list my sources for 1-5:
1. The Beatles Gear page 161
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3. There’s only 1 guitar in the song, which is George’s
4. There’s only 2 guitars in the song, which are John and George’s
5. There’s only 1 acoustic guitar part, by John
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23 July 2016
Offline Ron Nasty said
As to mention of specific instruments used on each song, I can’t claim to be bothered one way or another, and recognise that many of those lists of instruments differ because much is based on guesswork.
Let’s not discourage Joe when it comes to this, as there’s several ways around this guesswork.
1. Have a list of standards for the instruments that you use for songs for each album unless if you’re sure otherwise. For example, if you’re not sure what guitar George used for a song off of Rubber Soul , Revolver , Sgt. Pepper , MMT, or The Beatles, just say it’s a Strat.
2. Have multiple options listed down. For example, if you’re not sure about what guitar George used for a song off of Revolver , just say Casino, Strat, or SG.
3. Just put down the specific instruments for the ones you know and don’t for the rest.
4. To hell with it, just guess, speculation can be useful too. You’re already guessing on who played what for certain songs, so you mind as well be guessing for the types of guitars as well.
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14 June 2016
Offline @HMBeatlesfan said
Let’s list my sources for 1-5:3. There’s only 1 guitar in the song, which is George’s
4. There’s only 2 guitars in the song, which are John and George’s
5. There’s only 1 acoustic guitar part, by John
Not to nitpick, but those last 3 sources, aren’t sources as much as they’re the opposite of the original statement.
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17 December 2012
Offline I would agree with @William Shears Campbell that those last three are not sources, @HMBeatlesfan.
I would also suggest that nor is the photograph. The photograph merely states that John picked up a guitar during the session and played it, not that it ended up on the record.
One of the reasons @Joe’s site is respected and has become the “go-to” site for Beatles information is that he avoids too much speculation in his articles. He welcomes speculation in the comments and on the forum, but wants his articles to be as factual as possible.
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6.39pm
23 July 2016
Offline I think that if Joe used some speculation, his site would be better, as using speculation and making a legitimate argument for using it makes you look better and lets people know you think outside of the box than just playing it cool and copy and pasting sources (not pointing fingers, but it seems like he used Revolution In The Head for a lot of his songs). Some of my favorite sources occasionally speculate, such as beatlesebooks (not often, but I’ve seen it in a couple of his posts) and Beatles To A Tee (quite a bit).
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23 July 2016
Offline Ron Nasty said
I would also suggest that nor is the photograph. The photograph merely states that John picked up a guitar during the session and played it, not that it ended up on the record.
The photograph states that John most likely played guitar on the record, just like all these other sources. For all we know, Ringo could’ve played the guitar solo on Kansas City , Twist And Shout could’ve been the first song recorded for the Please Please Me album, James Brown could’ve sang backing vocals on And Your Bird Can Sing , Keith Richards could’ve played bass on the album version of Yer Blues , John Lennon could’ve played trumpet on It Won’t Be Long , George Harrison could’ve played drums on Blue Jay Way , Rock And Roll Music could’ve taken 37 takes, Ozzy Osbourne could’ve sang lead vocals on Fixing A Hole while Jimi Hendrix played the guitar solo. It’s just that we use our common sense to know that most likely is a better source than possibly but very unlikely.
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Offline The site is aiming to be factually correct not dressed in speculation and lots of could be’s and maybes.
I get it, you like Beatlesbooks. Let both co-exist and move on.
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23 July 2016
Offline Sure, just got to think of something else that would improve the site and forum, you got anything.
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Offline HMBeatlesfan said
Sure, just got to think of something else that would improve the site and forum, you got anything.
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Offline Listing which Beatle played which specific instrument would be a great idea if there was a definitive source. However, even the experts disagree on some songs – the most well respected of them don’t even try. Having devoured Babiuk’s Beatles Gear… and Robustelli’s I Want To Tell You …, I find their honesty and integrity refreshing. If there is proof positive that a specific instrument was used, they will tell you how they know. If they are uncertain, they will tell you that as well. Anything less is just jerking people off, trying to be controversial, or just plain lazy. No thanks.
Joe does it right. Period.
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Ron Nasty said
As to mention of specific instruments used on each song, I can’t claim to be bothered one way or another, and recognise that many of those lists of instruments differ because much is based on guesswork.Let’s not discourage Joe when it comes to this, as there’s several ways around this guesswork.
1. Have a list of standards for the instruments that you use for songs for each album unless if you’re sure otherwise. For example, if you’re not sure what guitar George used for a song off of Rubber Soul , Revolver , Sgt. Pepper , MMT, or The Beatles, just say it’s a Strat.
2. Have multiple options listed down. For example, if you’re not sure about what guitar George used for a song off of Revolver , just say Casino, Strat, or SG.
3. Just put down the specific instruments for the ones you know and don’t for the rest.
4. To hell with it, just guess, speculation can be useful too. You’re already guessing on who played what for certain songs, so you mind as well be guessing for the types of guitars as well.
The only one of those I’d be at all happy with would be 3.
This idea has come up before, and it’s not a bad one. I’d love for this site to be the absolute final word on everything they did, but I need a reality check too. It would take ages to hunt down all brand information for each of the songs, and in honesty probably less than 1% of visitors would care. Now that I’m about to embark on this site full-time, my main aim is to write a load of good new articles to bring in more visitors.
I know the current song pages aren’t perfect, and there’s definitely room for improvement. They were the first things I wrote back in 2008/9, and I was largely using Lewisohn and MacDonald as sources. I followed a set template for each page, and it didn’t really occur to me to include instrument brands or models until later on. I was also finding my way as a writer. Later on I got a lot of extra books, such as Recording The Beatles or the John C Winn titles, which were particularly helpful when writing the history/session pages. Occasionally there’s contradictory information in the song and session pages which people kindly point out, and I’m always happy to make amendments if they’re correct.
What I don’t like is speculation. OK, we can reasonably assume that Paul played a Hofner bass guitar throughout 1963, but the instrumentation gets a lot harder to pinpoint from Revolver onwards. I’d rather not state anything at all if there’s doubt.
But hey, I mentioned the recording session pages earlier, and there’s a bunch of info in those that I think a lot of people don’t often look at. Here are the links for Paperback Writer , which do mention various instrument brands (Rickenbacker, Vox, Gibson, Epiphone) as well as who played what:
https://www.beatlesbible.com/1…..ck-writer/
https://www.beatlesbible.com/1…..iter-rain/
Thanks for your suggestions, genuinely. I would like to go back through each one of those song articles and make them better, and probably one day I will, but not yet. I’ve got a book to finish and the solo years to cover first, and possibly another site to launch once the book is finished.
FWIW I think you were right about Paul not playing guitar on Oh! Darling . I’m not sure where that came from, but I’ve removed it from the listing. I’ll look at the other amendments you suggested as soon as I’m able.
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Having been responsible for some of those changes, I do know that Joe prefers suggestions of changes to be made in the comments section of each article.
This is true – it’s really helpful to have the comments right there on the relevant page, along with some background info to back up the claim. If it’s a small correction I might just make it and not approve the comment (because it would be instantly out of date). If it’s speculation (with good intentions) I normally publish the comment, but wouldn’t make amendments to the article(s) until I can stand it up. If it in any way hinges on a Paul is Dead theory I normally delete it. Screw those people.
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Offline Well Joe, I’ll help you get the obvious out of the way:
Every single track Paul played bass on from Please Please Me through Help ! used a Hofner
Every single track Paul played bass on from Revolver through Yellow Submarine (I place The Beatles after Yellow Submarine ) used a Rickenbacker
Every single track John played electric guitar on from With The Beatles through Beatles For Sale used a Rickenbacker
Every single track John played electric guitar on from Sgt. Pepper ‘s Lonely Hearts Club Band through Let It Be used a Casino
Every single track George played electric guitar on from With The Beatles used a Country Gentleman
Every single track John and or George played acoustic guitar on from Please Please Me through Beatles For Sale used a J-160E
Every single track Paul played acoustic guitar on from Help ! through Yellow Submarine used a Texan
Every single track Paul played electric guitar on from Help ! through Revolver used a Casino
And here are some obvious ones you can’t deny:
George used his Rickenbacker 12-string on A Hard Day’s Night , I Should Have Known Better , You Can’t Do That , and Ticket To Ride
George used his Fender Stratocaster on Nowhere Man
John used his Casino, Paul used his Hofner, and George used his Tele on Dig A Pony , I’ve Got A Feeling , and One After 909
And there’s a couple more too, but that gets quite a few songs out of the way.
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