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SpecialCup said
I’m only on page 3.
Good on ya, you should have the book finished just before the second volume comes out.
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Good on ya, you should have the book finished just before the second volume comes out.
You could read a word a day and finish it before vol 2 comes out.
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Offline sir walter raleigh said
You could read a word a day and finish it before vol 2 comes out.
At the current rate we could teach Baldrick to read and he’d finish the book before we got volume 2 .
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You could read a word a day and finish it before vol 2 comes out.
SpecialCup said
It’s getting really good.Today’s word: “On”
OMG that is funny! Can’t wait to see what you read today.
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Hi @Linde – nice to see you again. Glad you finished the book. What do you think of it?
Hi! I would come by more often, but you know, life gets in the way. 
Even though it took me a few years, I loved reading it. It’s just that I couldn’t often fiind the time to read a bulk. I think it was a great and very detailed book and am looking forward to the next two, although I’ve read that will take another couple of years?
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Offline Yeah, that’s the scuttlebutt. I can’t wait. I’ve already read the first one twice and will probably give it a third go before the second one is published.
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Offline Part of the fun of reading this book for me is taking time to listen to the songs Lewisohn mentions that the Beatles liked to listen to. I just listened to Hully Gully by the Olympics. Even grandma is doing it. LOL
I am also taking time to listen to songs GM produced before he met the Beatles.
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Part of the fun of reading this book for me is taking time to listen to the songs Lewisohn mentions that the Beatles liked to listen to. I just listened to Hully Gully by the Olympics. Even grandma is doing it. LOLI am also taking time to listen to songs GM produced before he met the Beatles.
My dad (2 years older than John & Ringo) grew up listening to the same artists – Holly, Presley, Vincent, Cochran, etc… So many hours on road trips listening to all of that fantastic music! I dig the fact that The Beatles loved the same stuff.
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There is an unofficial series, available to download on the net if you can find it, called ‘The Songs We Were Singing’ that collects so many songs that the Beatles listened to, not only those they are known to have performed/covered before they were successful. I think it’s 8 CDs worth of material. Well worth hunting down.
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There is an unofficial series, available to download on the net if you can find it, called ‘The Songs We Were Singing’ that collects so many songs that the Beatles listened to, not only those they are known to have performed/covered before they were successful. I think it’s 8 CDs worth of material. Well worth hunting down.
That is interesting and I will have to look into that. I have all those songs highlighted in my book to go back and look them up. It would be a lot less work if someone has done it for me. Thanks!
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Offline Page 941 in the Extended edition.
“…: they stood up strong to all the promoters who gave them work, making it expressly clear that nobody was going to make monkeys out of the Beatles.”
Interesting that they went from that to giving up control to Brian.
Any thoughts on that?
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My dad (2 years older than John & Ringo) grew up listening to the same artists – Holly, Presley, Vincent, Cochran, etc… So many hours on road trips listening to all of that fantastic music! I dig the fact that The Beatles loved the same stuff.
I so love it when I read the Beatles talking about their own influences. The sheer enthusiasm in their comments when they talk about Elvis, Carl Perkins or Jerry Lee Lewis and how those are the bands that spoke to them and that nothing that came after comes close to the way they felt hearing those songs early on. For many of us who remember the Beatles as contemporaries or were born after, they represent that same kind of ne plus ultra.
Following those lines, while I can appreciate some of the infectious music those pioneers had created, I simply have never been able to generate a lot of enthusiasm for 50s era rock as a whole. There are songs here and there that I love but overall I feel removed from it. Not so with the Beatles onward. Music from 1964-ish onwards sounds fresh and relevant to me. Ironically, I love American standards music from the 1920s onward (think Sinatra) so it’s for me that narrow slice of 1950s rock. Maybe had my parents listened to that music around me, instead of American standard music, I’d feel differently as you did.
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Page 941 in the Extended edition.“…: they stood up strong to all the promoters who gave them work, making it expressly clear that nobody was going to make monkeys out of the Beatles.”
Interesting that they went from that to giving up control to Brian.
Any thoughts on that?
My thoughts @Ahhh Girl are that there’s a big difference between a promoter and a (good) manager. By that I mean that many promoters would not have the interests of a band at heart but would be more concerned with how much they would make off of a band whilst paying as little as possible (I’ve experienced this myself in my old band). Where as Brian really was (uncharacteristically for a band manager) very honest and genuinely put The Beatles interests first.
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Offline I guess I am surprised they would give up that much control over their business dealings to someone else having been so vocal and involved once they became popular in Liverpool. I have to spend more time studying the Brian dynamic.
How cheesed off were they at Brian when they found out he didn’t always get them the best deal (for example, with Beatles merchandise)?
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Offline Ahhh Girl said
I am also taking time to listen to songs GM produced before he met the Beatles.
Although released after he met the Beatles, this Beatles’ cover George produced with Peter Sellers is kinda what he was up to before his world changed:
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Interesting that they went from that to giving up control to Brian.
Any thoughts on that?
I think that the timing of Brian arriving on the scene was what he had going for him… The Beatles had been playing the same venues for years and were looking to break new ground… The fact that he ran a record shoppe as well must’ve been pretty impressive to them at the time…
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How cheesed off were they at Brian when they found out he didn’t always get them the best deal (for example, with Beatles merchandise)?
I don’t believe that The Beatles were aware of exactly how much money that Brian had signed away for nothing until after he’d passed… There were rumblings that he’d lost them a lot of money with the Seltaeb fiasco but that was about it…:-)
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Offline p. 960 of the extended edition – Liverpool dandruff. I’ll be laughing about that for a long time to come.
p. 935 and 1003 – What time would the Grapes and the White Star close in the afternoons? Would they re-open later in the evening?
p. 935 “When the Cavern sessions ended … the Beatles retired to one of the local pubs. … Come chucking-out time, unless they were going to Nems together, Pete and Neil usually went home to West Derby and John, Paul, and George stayed in the city.”
p. 1003 “The meeting [with Brian] was fixed for early afternoon, after the Beatles’ Cavern lunchtime session. The two-hundred-step walk [to Nems] was halted after only ten when they stepped into the Grapes. They didn’t step out again until closing time, and arrived at Nems tardily…” How long would Brian have had to wait for them that day?
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Friday 11:30AM–11PM
EDIT: Got one of my answers just a few pages later. The pubs opened at 7 pm.
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Offline The more I think about this, the odder it seems to me. Why would pubs close from say 4-7 pm? Wouldn’t they want to catch the business of the workers leaving work for the day? Was there some kind of law in place to close pubs during that time so people would go home after work to be with their family?
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Offline Licensing hours were brought in in 1914 as part of the Defence of the Realm Act, @Ahhh Girl, as it was thought pubs open throughout the day would impair the war effort (not a good idea to have your munitions workers drunk, or problems getting your dockers out of the pub after lunch).
At that time they ran from 12 to 2:40pm and 6:30 to 10:30pm. Sundays were more restrictive, because of religion, usually 12 to 2 and then 7 to 10:30 (so I’m guessing the reference you saw to 7 was in reference to a Sunday).
They were relaxed a little after WWII, but not a lot. When I was working at The Ship in South Norwood in the early-90s, we opened at 11 through to 3 in the afternoon, reopening for the evening at 5 through to 10:30, while on a Sunday we didn’t open for the evening until 7.
You did also get variations between areas. When I used to drink in The Maple Tree in Penge in the 80s, they closed at 10:30, at which time we’d jump on the motorbikes and whiz up Crystal Palace Parade because they closed at 11 and so we could make it for last orders.
Pub licensing hours were not fully liberalised until 2005.
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The more I think about this, the odder it seems to me. Why would pubs close from say 4-7 pm? Wouldn’t they want to catch the business of the workers leaving work for the day? Was there some kind of law in place to close pubs during that time so people would go home after work to be with their family?
There were some regional variations, but the legal pub opening times were possibly along the following lines in 1961:
12 noon to 2:40 pm
6:30 pm to 9:30 pm
Here is one reference:
http://www.beerexpert.co.uk/li…..glaws.html
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