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Yah, extremely spesific guitar chords talk is bound to spark discussion and not drive away non-guitar people away.
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We have a thread for guitar players. I suggest you take the conversation there. Not everyone reads this thread so they miss out on the discussion.
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Pimp ur stuff.
Why do people say follow ur dreams? Most my dreams are nonsense stuff.
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Starr Shine? said
Why do people say follow ur dreams? Most my dreams are nonsense stuff.
I never thought about that but you’re right. If taken literally, the phrase “follow your dreams” does seem a bit dopey. I have no desire to fall from a building or run away from danger without moving. On the other hand, how bad could being appointed “Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler of the Universe” be?
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I’ve deleted the thread ‘Forum that’s like the Philosophy thread except way cooler’ as PYOS should really have at least some Beatles focus.
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I thought i’d explain how to make a good stereo mix.
The first thing to realize is that with stereo, there’s not 2 channels but 3, left, center, and right.
Now what you want to put into each channel depends on the song, so let’s look at a couple of examples.
In this example, we have these instruments:
Track 1:
Acoustic guitar
Track 2:
Bass
Track 3:
Drums
Track 4:
Lead vocals
Track 5:
Overdubbed piano
Track 6:
Overdubbed tambourine
Track 7:
Guitar solo overdub
Track 8:
Guitar outro overdub
For the left channel, we’ll want to use the backing track. The center should be reserved for vocals and instruments we want to have the most attention. Finally, the right channel is for overdubs.
Here’s our stereo mix knowing this:
Left:
Acoustic guitar, bass, and drums
Center:
Lead vocals, guitar solo, and guitar outro
Right:
Piano and tambourine
In this next example, here’s a song that was recorded without any overdubs.
Track 1:
Rhythm guitar (Fender Stratocaster)
Track 2:
Lead guitar (Gibson SG)
Track 3:
Bass guitar (Fender Precision Bass)
Track 4:
Drums
Track 5:
Lead vocals
Since there’s no overdubs to push to the right, we’re going to split the backing track across both channels like so.
Left:
Fender and bass
Center:
Vocals
Right:
Gibson and drums
How about with backing vocals like so.
Track 1:
Piano
Track 2:
Acoustic guitar
Track 3:
Bass
Track 4:
Fender rhythm guitar
Track 5:
Drums
Track 6:
Lead vocals
Track 7:
Backing vocals I
Track 8:
Backing vocals II
Track 9:
Fender guitar solo overdub
Track 10:
Tambourine overdub
Track 11:
Hammond organ overdub
Track 12:
Saxophone solo overdub
Track 13:
Lead vocals double track
Track 14:
Synth strings
There’s a few ways we can do this but we’re going to do split the backing vocals between the left and right channels. By the way, since we’re working with double tracked lead vocals over here, we’re going to put each lead vocal track on a different channel to give the desired effect.
Left:
Piano
Acoustic guitar
Bass
Fender rhythm guitar
Drums
Lead vocals
Backing vocals I
Center:
Guitar solo
Sax solo
Right:
Backing vocals II
Tambourine
Hammond organ
Lead vocals double track
Synth strings
If you have a power trio to work with, stereo mixing couldn’t be easier. Take this for example.
Track 1:
Guitar
Track 2:
Bass
Track 3:
Drums
Track 4:
Lead vocals
Since this power trio consists of a guitarist/vocalist, bassist, and drummer, the mix is simple.
Left:
Bass
Center:
Lead vocals
Guitar
Right:
Drums
Each member gets his own channel.
What about if you’re mixing something like this.
Track 1:
Acoustic guitar
Track 2:
Lead vocals
Just mix it as mono.
Finally, let’s say you have a lot of instruments and want to mix for surround instead, we’ve got you covered.
Let’s take this orchestral recording as example:
Tracks 1-8:
Violin
Tracks 9-15:
Viola
Tracks 16-20:
Cello
Tracks 21-22:
Upright bass
Tracks 23-29:
Trumpet
Tracks 30-33:
French horn
Tracks 34-36:
Trombone
Track 37:
Tuba
Track 38:
Harp
Tracks 39-40:
Flute
Track 41:
Piccolo
Tracks 42-43:
Clarinet
Tracks 44-45:
Oboe
Track 46:
Bassoon
Track 47:
Saxophone
Track 48:
Drum kit
Track 49:
Steel string acoustic guitar
Track 50:
Electric guitar
Track 51:
Electric bass guitar
Track 52:
Piano
Track 53:
Conductor
Track 54:
Tambourine
Track 55:
Marimba
Track 56:
Crowd left
Track 57:
Crowd right
If we were mixing for 5.1 surround, this wouldn’t be so hard.
Front Left:
Violin
Viola
Cello
Center:
Conductor
Piano
Steel string acoustic guitar
Electric guitar
Saxophone
Front Right:
Flute
Clarinet
Oboe
Bassoon
Piccolo
Rear Left:
Crowd left
Trumpet
Trombone
French Horn
Tuba
Drum kit
Rear Right:
Drum kit
Crowd right
Marimba
Harp
Tambourine
However, what if you now want to mix it for stereo, you can actually do that.
Left:
Strings
Crowd left
Left center:
Brass
Center:
Conductor
Piano
Right center:
Woodwinds
Right:
Percussion
Crowd right
By taking advantage of the rarely used left center and right center channels, you can get 5 channels out of 2 albeit an inferior experience but it works nonetheless.
Whether you’re mixing for classical, jazz, pop, rock, country, metal, or whatever other genre there is, i hope you enjoyed this long and winding post.
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As I take music sound production courses, I disagree with quite a bit there. Not all of it, but some.
In your first example, you were putting the entire backing track left. That is highly discouraged, and as you had each instrument on the backing track, you could prevent that.
Another thing: with the exception of egg shakers or sound effects, you should never pan anything completely left or completely right.
Yes, the Beatles broke a lot of these rules, but they were working with limited tracks. Centre left, centre, and centre right is the way to go.
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1 November 2013
Modern music production has a mix. Hard pans are bad when you got one broken earbud for example.
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Only proper audiophiles who are listening with a purpose like things panned all the way left or right. Audiophiles listening for pleasure (like myself) go nuts. Case in point: This Boy
But there really are no hard and fast rules when it comes to mixing. A mix should be dependent on the song. If it serves the song, then it’s in.
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Another point i forgot to mention is that panning hard left or hard right gives out more clarity. For example, if i panned my backing track to the hard left, there’d be more clarity then if i panned it closer to the center. Take Got To Get You Into My Life for example, John and George’s guitars can be heard much more clearly in the stereo mix because they’re panned hard left whereas in the mono mix it’s a lot harder to hear them and therefore clarity is lost.
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27 November 2016
Provided the mix is good, it should still provide clarity.
Its a matter of balance. Far left/right is a cheats way out of getting good balance.
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