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The "Incredibly Impossible to Derail This Thread" thread
16 December 2016
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@Beatlebug you are truly an inspiration 

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So flattered by your effusive thanks for this post, @Beatlebug. I know you meant them all and your praise is much appreciated.

Think I’ll buy a peacock to show off!

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Bloody…! 

I thought only a couple of those thanks went through… a-hard-days-night-paul-10

Looks like I’ve one-upped you @WeepingAtlasCedars. 

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Silly Girl said four days ago
WeepingAtlasCedars this advert that I just got is all your fault. a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

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And now it’s this one, considerably more apropos:

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I also keep getting adverts from guitar shops *drool*… eye-candy* a-hard-days-night-paul-7

*Autocorrect wanted this to be eye-catching. Same idea. a-hard-days-night-john-3

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Discuss the merits, good and bad, of having a thread where controversial issues can be discussed.

19 December 2016
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Starr Shine? said https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..4/#p244248

Ahhh Girl is talking about making another thread not putting this in PM.

My worry is that an argument or people talking more about the existence of the thread and blow things out of preportion, the thread will be locked, then it can never be talked about agian.  

@Joe, would you ever want a thread for debating controversial issues? If so, if people were ugly to one another rather than having a real discussion, how would you want the mods* to handle it?

*probably you, mmm, or Zig because the three of you know I’d shut it down after any slight bump in the road.

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I point back to @The Hole Got Fixed’s original post, in which the statement was (to paraphrase) that such conversation should be PM-only, and they were sure others agreed…

You cannot have that statement that such a conversation shouldn’t be had publicly – and this is from someone who dislikes parts of that conversation and who, tongue-very-obviously-in-cheek, made the first comment that led to what I believe is the most objectionable…

Object to their post, tell them they are wrong if you believe so, but do not say that a whole conversation that was largely jokey, and obviously jokey – and I’ll happily point to where there’s clear – should be PM-only, which was the suggestion made.

How could I know where someone would take my jokey conversation half-a-dozen posts and a couple of hours plus after I’d started it?

If a post in a conversation is wrong, deal with the post, but don’t damn the whole conversation and say it should only have happened privately.

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19 December 2016
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I just don’t want to derail the Eating thread. Let’s leave it for what it is. Please. Discuss here. Thank you.

Also, we have a vegetarian thread if people want to discuss the subject. Let’s leave the Eating thread the light-hearted, fun thread it should be. Please.

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Ahhh Girl said

@Joe, would you ever want a thread for debating controversial issues? If so, if people were ugly to one another rather than having a real discussion, how would you want the mods* to handle it?

*probably you, mmm, or Zig because the three of you know I’d shut it down after any slight bump in the road.  

I don’t mind people discussing controversial things, as long as it’s done with civility and respect. Though I’m not convinced this Beatles forum is necessarily the place for it.

If people are nasty to one another they can expect their messages to be deleted, or their accounts suspended. Normal rules apply.

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Ahhh Girl said
Discuss the merits, good and bad, of having a thread where controversial issues can be discussed.  

We already kind of talked about this in the “What’s Happening In The World” thread, and I don’t think it’s possible to have a civil conversation about stuff that everyone here disagrees with.

I thought Ron Nasty’s post was very funny, and it was totally obvious to a person with a funny bone that it was a joke.

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19 December 2016
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Perhaps I should have moderated that “Eating” conversation earlier. Sorry everyone. It should have never gotten to the point it did.

19 December 2016
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This is the post that unintentionally set this off.

I would greatly appreciate it if this could be kept to a PM! I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels this way…

I think a discussion about meat preparation wouldn’t be out of place in the eating thread since it has been turned into a general food thread (The life thread has been changed from the original intent) and food preparation was discussed in the thread before.

That said, if people do lay out spesifices of animal preparation, it should be kept in spoilers. Spoilers are there for a reason.

Wasn’t things like this why the Mother superior thread was made?

Reminds me of people derailing the PiD thread to talk about the conversation in the PiD thread.

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19 December 2016
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Here is the point I would make: SS? has, above, pointed to the comment that threw up this bone of contention.

The reply to objections to that comment has been to suggest it would not have happened had the conversation happened in another thread.

That’s not what’s said, it is suggested such comments should be PM only.

I would suggest that whatever thread the conversation happened in, the same objection to the post that caused that reaction would have occurred.

Should that be so, it is up to management to decide whether the original statement is allowed on the forum – otherwise you’ve just got the same person objecting in whichever other thread that conversation happened.

It can be argued by those who want to that it happened in the wrong thread, but the objection was to it being stated on the forum.

If there is a place on the forum, in whatever thread, for the remarks that caused that response, then somebody suggesting that type of thing should be PM-only is missing the wide breadth of conversation that occurs on this forum, and should be advised so.

Should there be something with the original statement that it’s felt shouldn’t be publicly stated on the forum, and that the objection was justified, then surely advice is necessary there.

Otherwise it just seems we’re being asked to move a contentious conversation from one thread to another, which has happened, without any resolve about whether exactly the same conversation can carry on elsewhere.

But we are now discussing the fallout, rather than understanding whether the butchery comments – in part or full – are acceptable on the Forum (as it has just been suggested they might have been better elsewhere), or whether the suggestion they should be PM-only – which most objections have been to – was correct.

There’s no point putting the conversation elsewhere if the same person is still going to be saying we shouldn’t be saying such things outside PMs.

Perhaps the objections have been misunderstood. They were not to the comments being challenged, as others challenged and were not criticised, but to the suggestion that such talk should be kept to PM.

I don’t think so.

What’s the point of a forum if it starts being suggested legitimate subjects and opinions be moved to private messages?

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A discussion was started. Whether or not it was a joke is irrelevant. It was found to be objectionable by at least one person who politely requested it be kept private. We will never know how many others were put off by the discussion because the one person who had the balls to object has been called out and practically bullied into submission on that thread and now this one. A simple response of “thanks but no thanks” would have sufficed. Instead, we are subjected to multiple posts about justifying the content and where it should go. Seriously?

Everyone has had a chance to express their opinions on the matter. What do you say we now put on our big boy pants and move on?

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Damn, I missed all the drama.

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I got a Facebook notification today that one of Ohhh Boy’s cousins was “marked safe” in the incident today (night in Germany) where a truck plowed into a Christmas market. That was the first time I had ever gotten a FB notice like that.

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Zig said
A discussion was started. Whether or not it was a joke is irrelevant. It was found to be objectionable by at least one person who politely requested it be kept private. We will never know how many others were put off by the discussion because the one person who had the balls to object has been called out and practically bullied into submission on that thread and now this one. A simple response of “thanks but no thanks” would have sufficed. Instead, we are subjected to multiple posts about justifying the content and where it should go. Seriously?

Everyone has had a chance to express their opinions on the matter. What do you say we now put on our big boy pants and move on?  

Can I just say, “…politely requested it be kept private. We will never know how many others were put off by the discussion because the one person who had the balls to object has been called out and practically bullied into submission on that thread and now this one.” is so true, thank you @Zig. I’m always encouraged to say what I think in a respectful way, which may I point out I most certainly did. I had ‘the balls’ to raise what I thought, which is pretty much the purpose of a forum, and now I’m being ‘practically bullied’. Regardless of whether it being a joke or not (and whether I a. realised it was a joke, b. cared or c. found it funny), it isn’t really appropriate for rather a lot of adults, especially one, (not naming names for now), to ‘practically bully’ a 14 year old over him raising his beliefs. Would you bully a 14 year old (or anyone for that matter) if he said he didn’t like Christianity (regardless of whether you are Christian, or if he isn’t)? @Ron Nasty, just take a moment to think how I might feel. Then think about it again. This smiley:ahdn_paul_01is similar, but not even close, to how I feel. This one: a-hard-days-night-paul-10is closer. So is paul-mccartney.

Anyhow, that’s my side of the argument, I guess.

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I really don’t know what to say.

I object to the idea that I was bullying. I was disagreeing with the point of view.

And I disagree more now if the argument is that it was age inappropriate. What is age appropriate in a mixed age group? Knocks out a whole lot of conversation here if it has to be appropriate for all our younger members.

I’m taking a few days digital detox. I’ll pop up again before Chrimble.

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@The Hole Got Fixed, I am glad you haven’t been scared away. I enjoy your company on the forum.

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I just don’t understand how somebody who eats meat can be offended by people talking about killing an animal for food. Where do you think the food you eat comes from?a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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