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The Cancer zodiac occurs in June and July. That’s what you meant, right, @Timothy?
Yes.
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26 January 2017
Beatlebug said
BUT LADY STARDUST THO with that glorious discordant piano and whilst ‘Star’ and ‘Hang On To Yourself’ are important to the narrative, I’d agree that they aren’t quite as solid as the other tracks.Also my version excises ‘It Ain’t Easy’ (which I don’t even know why it’s there really)
Generally, I just feel like Ziggy is more… inspired, somehow, songwriting-wise, and yet it’s kind of an endearingly clunky record at the same time; whilst Aladdin was a more professional record but lacked the spirit, or something. You can hear Bowie being done with Ziggy and wanting to move on, but not really knowing what comes next, on it.
Lady Stardust is the best of those tracks for sure, and yeah, I have no idea why It Ain’t Easy was included.
On the contrary though, I hear Aladdin Sane as the bridge between his glam rock era and the artier stuff that would come after. He is tired of Ziggy and wanting to move on, yes, but he’s doing so by making the music so much more interesting
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QuarryMan said
On the contrary though, I hear Aladdin Sane as the bridge between his glam rock era and the artier stuff that would come after. He is tired of Ziggy and wanting to move on, yes, but he’s doing so by making the music so much more interesting
I get that more from Diamond Dogs, myself (which I’m very fond of, mostly because of ‘Sweet Thing/Candidate/Sweet Thing (Reprise)’ being one of the most magnificent medleys I’ve heard since Abbey Road , and also ‘We Are The Dead’ is fantastic, and I really dig Orwell’s 1984 ) — another charmingly clunky album; perhaps not as inspired as Ziggy, but still interesting.
And then another fabulous transitional album is S2S which is half plastic soul and half the premonitions of Berlin-era art rock.
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1.45pm
26 January 2017
Beatlebug said
QuarryMan said
On the contrary though, I hear Aladdin Sane as the bridge between his glam rock era and the artier stuff that would come after. He is tired of Ziggy and wanting to move on, yes, but he’s doing so by making the music so much more interesting
I get that more from Diamond Dogs, myself (which I’m very fond of, mostly because of ‘Sweet Thing/Candidate/Sweet Thing (Reprise)’ being one of the most magnificent medleys I’ve heard since Abbey Road , and also ‘We Are The Dead’ is fantastic, and I really dig Orwell’s 1984 ) — another charmingly clunky album; perhaps not as inspired as Ziggy, but still interesting.
And then another fabulous transitional album is S2S which is half plastic soul and half the premonitions of Berlin-era art rock.
I think Diamond Dogs is also a transitional record, as shown by the cover in which he seems to be half Ziggy and half something else, but the artier side of Aladdin Sane was already there IMO with that amazing piano playing by Mike Garson. I know a lot of jazz fans would hate me for saying this, but I think Garson’s solo in the title track is the best jazz piano playing I’ve ever heard, and I have heard a good amount of it by now. Bowie sure had a talent for picking out talented people – didn’t he have a fight with Frank Zappa over a guitarist once?
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15 February 2015
QuarryMan said
I think Diamond Dogs is also a transitional record, as shown by the cover in which he seems to be half Ziggy and half something else, but the artier side of Aladdin Sane was already there IMO with that amazing piano playing by Mike Garson. I know a lot of jazz fans would hate me for saying this, but I think Garson’s solo in the title track is the best jazz piano playing I’ve ever heard, and I have heard a good amount of it by now.
Oh my gosh yes, that piano solo (the whole track really) is my favourite moment on the whole album, pretty much. Not that I know anything about jazz but it’s brilliant.
Bowie sure had a talent for picking out talented people –
Yes, yes, he sure did. Just a few of my favourite examples: Dennis Davis, Stevie Ray Vaughan, and of course the inimitable Rick Wakeman and Mike Garson. He had a positive genius for envisioning a musical texture, finding the right people to do the job, and then just letting them do what they do, because that’s what he picked them out for.
didn’t he have a fight with Frank Zappa over a guitarist once?
I wouldn’t be surprised.
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26 January 2017
I think what makes the solo so good is that it takes the wildness and unpredictability of free jazz (which is too much to stomach most of the time, I personally like it but only when I’m in the right mood) and puts it in the perfect musical setting where it slots right in.
And here’s the article about Bowie and Zappa’s argument. I can see why Zappa was mad, and his response is pretty funny, but I’m on Bowie’s side overall. I like Frank, but most of his stuff is way too cynical and smug for my taste.
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^HA! From Major to Captain, poor Tom. ‘I thought that went rather nicely,’ said David the ever-cool. Such a Bowie thing to say
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8 January 2015
QuarryMan said
And here’s the article about Bowie and Zappa’s argument. I can see why Zappa was mad, and his response is pretty funny, but I’m on Bowie’s side overall. I like Frank, but most of his stuff is way too cynical and smug for my taste.
I think it was pretty mean and unfortunate timing, and I’m a fan of all three. I listened to Outside the other day, still a remarkable album.
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26 January 2017
I was listening to Zappa’s Apostrophe last night. It’s really entertaining, and the music is great, but it’s nothing on the best Bowie stuff if I’m honest
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15 February 2015
that cover is parodied way too much, just like DSOTM and Abbey Road …
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I wouldn’t consider Apostrophe’ one of my personal Zappa essentials either, and I can easily name a dozen.
Great Belew anecdote up there, thank you for that! Nice to read a “musicial geniuses meet” story that isn’t inconsequential…As for the battle of the wits, with myself as sole judge:
“F**k you, Captain Tom!” *throws down napkin, storms out* = A+
“That went rather well,” *arches eyebrow debonairly* = A+
IT’S A TIE
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8 January 2015
Von Bontee said
I wouldn’t consider Apostrophe’ one of my personal Zappa essentials either, and I can easily name a dozen.IT’S A TIE
Agreed. I see the difference between them as that Bowie’s genius is to package a different musical angle and make it accessible to people who don’t have to know about music and getting great performances from people you wouldn’t otherwise know about.
Zappa doesn’t so much care about an accessible package, he’s mixing up all his favourite things and taking cuts from live recordings and making that the spine of totally different songs etc. Nor did he see a song as finished just because he had a version recorded. He’d take that on the road and improvise on it and it would be almost unrecognizable by the end of a tour. He too is a great band leader.
I’m listening right now to a version of The Torture Never Stops, the one from which he took an edit of the guitar improvisation, named it Rat Tomago and slammed into the middle of Sheik Yerbouti with no explanation. Why do I mention that? Adrian Belew plays on that gig in Berlin. Yes, it had to be that gig, because he was only in Berlin twice in 1978, the second time with a different lineup in October.
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10.26am
26 January 2017
Von Bontee said
I wouldn’t consider Apostrophe’ one of my personal Zappa essentials either, and I can easily name a dozen.Great Belew anecdote up there, thank you for that! Nice to read a “musicial geniuses meet” story that isn’t inconsequential…As for the battle of the wits, with myself as sole judge:
“F**k you, Captain Tom!” *throws down napkin, storms out* = A+
“That went rather well,” *arches eyebrow debonairly* = A+
IT’S A TIE
It’s a shame Zappa didn’t get to hear Bowie’s response.
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15 February 2015
Von Bontee said
Great Belew anecdote up there, thank you for that! Nice to read a “musicial geniuses meet” story that isn’t inconsequential…As for the battle of the wits, with myself as sole judge:“F**k you, Captain Tom!” *throws down napkin, storms out* = A+
“That went rather well,” *arches eyebrow debonairly* = A+
IT’S A TIE
Agreed 100%!
(I would personally add ‘smirks Bowie-ly’ to the latter )
ewe2 said
Agreed. I see the difference between them as that Bowie’s genius is to package a different musical angle and make it accessible to people who don’t have to know about music and getting great performances from people you wouldn’t otherwise know about.
Definitely. It was even said once, I disremember by whom (maybe Bowie himself), something to the effect of ‘Other people take “low” forms of art and make them posh, but Bowie takes “high” art down to the street level’. You end up with art that’s both accessible and, well, arty. I see a definite kinship between Bowie and the Beatles in that way — the free copping of ideas from anywhere at all, utter disregard for the bounds of genre, and always maintaining that central integrity and accessibility.
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