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Starr Shine? said
I don’t think condoms are on the same level as tampons imo.  

I’m pro life but want to combat abortion without denying women their right to choose so if there’s birth control and condoms in every public bathroom, there’ll be less women who want an abortion.

The Hole Got Fixed said
1: what about the people who live 2 hours drive from the nearest public restroom?

Tough one, we’d remove the tampon and birth control/condom tax in addition to stocking public restrooms with these items.

2: equity by definition (unless you’re a facist) is better than equality.

It depends on the situation. I’m more then fine with women getting a spread when competing against a male sports team or other things to level out natural differences but when it comes to forcing people to hire more women or other things to make up for extended periods of oppression (AKA misandry), i prefer equality.

3: this is sounding awfully like that moment on 30 December when this happened:

AppleScruffJunior said
Not to insult you DO but that is such an American response “but my freedom!!!”.

Man hears that woman want more freedom. His response: ‘but that means my freedom will be impeded on!’
You have to realise DO that in almost all other Western countries that your attitude is far less common, so we can’t work out your point of view. In most Western countries, more people are feminist because they don’t care about ‘my freedom’, they care about everyone. That’s my take on it, anyway.

My point of view on feminism is that i don’t have a problem with feminism, as long as they want equality or equity to level out natural differences and not misandry.

Also, it’s not always about what works best for me. For example, because of my mental health issues, i’m allowed to get a free bus pass but i refuse it because i wouldn’t be able to get it if i were able bodied and instead choose to walk for 2 hours.

Wigwam said
Old straight white men are a safe demographic to attack……….Why?

I can’t find the context of this post so i’m going to assume you’re just saying this in general.

It’s because of their views, most feminists wouldn’t criticize someone like Bernie Sanders who is an old straight white man but doesn’t have views feminists deem offensive. On the contrary, there are plenty of feminists who criticize Theresa May and Milo Yiannopoulos despite being a woman and a gay man respectively.

Just because progress has been made, doesn’t mean the feminist cause is over yet. 

As for the affirmative action (giving women/minorities extra help in certain areas to combat discrimination that might help them from progressing), equality doesn’t necessarily mean justice. For example, in the field of politics, where there have been historically very few women, although women are now allowed to work in those professions legally, it doesn’t mean that other factors won’t prevent them from moving forward. These can include discrimination from those in charge of the institutions or parties, pressure from parents or society as a whole, or having grown up watching international politics be dominated by male figures. 

In other words, believing that its as simple as stopping the fight at the legal point shows a lack of understanding of the social elements of sexism rather than just the institutional ones. I don’t like that affirmative action strategies and the like are necessary, but they’re certainly preferable to the alternative as long as they don’t get out of hand.

In that case, it’s probably best not to have birth control in every public bathroom. Still, i’d love for women to have free and easy access to birth control since nothing sucks more then either having to get an abortion or carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term.

While as @AppleScruffJunior has explained, birth control in every bathroom bar condoms wouldn’t work that well, I think what DO is getting at is that rather than the abortion debate raging on endlessly, we should instead be looking for progressive ways to make sure that women won’t need to get abortions in the first place, thereby reducing the amount that happen while not depriving women of their right to choose. 

These could include, but are not limited to:

– Easier distribution of condoms and other contraceptive measures (though not necessarily in bathrooms)

– Better education about contraception, so that people know what they’re doing/ don’t deny it the chance based on false assumptions about it 

– Better sex education all around, as the amount of misconceptions and mis-expectations many adults (including myself) can have based on confusing, outdated or just straight up bizarre sex education is honestly staggering. 

– More education and clarity on what consensual sex is, and hopefully taking steps to reduce rape or coercion into sex in future.

– Better adoption services and systems, so that women won’t be afraid to put their children up for adoption on the expectation of mistreatment or similar. 

– Generally reforming the economic system so that young people aren’t in such a dire situation as they are now and are therefore more able to look after a child if they decide to keep it.