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We Can Work It Out - Politics & Philosophy
10 August 2017
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I don’t care a bit about the Royal family and would be perfectly happy if they vanished when the Queen dies or decides to move to a 2 bedroom flat in Croydon and live off her savings with the local milkman.

The one positive of the amount of money they generate from tourists who are happy to be fleeced when visiting the attractions is wiped out by having to listen to pointless overhyped reports in the news like when Phillip retired or Kate opens a door. I’m dreading the coverage of the 20th anniversary of Diana’s death when we all are meant to forget the real Diana and instead listen to people insisting she was awesome in a gazillion ways.

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10 August 2017
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^ Funny that you say that about Diana….I’m actually going to see her wedding dress on Sunday….

 

(I’m secretly going to see The Beatles’ suits for the second time of course. I honestly spent about half an hour the first time I was in Newbridge just staring at their suits. The tour guide said that it’s the only complete collection of Beatles’ suits on display where each suit was worn by one of them, from the same event/time period. I wasn’t 100% certain if that was true because surely the only complete collection can’t be in Ireland?!?). 

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(Definitely a must-see if you’re visiting Ireland and have flown into Dublin, there’s a variety of dresses worn by Audrey Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe, Grace Kelly, Princess Diana, and then suits worn by Michael Jackson, our favourite band, and Elvis Presley).

 

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10 August 2017
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Don’t know what that has to do with whether the US should have a monarchy but that’s a great picture.

To get this thread back on topic, maybe another way to make leaders better is by only allowing people who work for the US government vote for a new one.

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10 August 2017
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I think, that that might make it better but also not, because that’s not what would best represent the majority of people’s wants and needs.
I don’t think the “problem” is as much the people voting as the whole voting system the US has and also the lack of votes from people who could have cast them.

I also think one way to make a whole lot of things better, everywhere, is just plainly better education.  Much too often people make important decisions about things like politics without being informed enough. This goes for pretty much everything in life, education is key. 

By the way: excuse me if this makes zero sense, I’m composing this at 02:37 because I can not sleep 

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I say have a voting system where people can safely vote third party.

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I don’t get it, we do have a system where it’s safe to vote 3rd party. Sure you may be encouraged to vote for democrat or republican but it’s perfectly safe to vote for a 3rd party, it’s not like you’ll get a consequence if you vote 3rd party, the only thing is that most people vote for the 2 big ones but that doesn’t mean that voting 3rd party is dangerous, does it.

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11 August 2017
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I’ll tell you the main thing that’s wrong with the US electoral system – The Electoral College. 

It makes me laugh that the US claims to be the defender and exemplar of democracy when it’s not even in the top 20 countries on the Democracy Index

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11 August 2017
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Isn’t the Third Party vote in the US seen as pretty much a wasted vote as they have no chance of getting power or anywhere? The winning Party isn’t going to care less about the %.

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Don’t know what that has to do with whether the US should have a monarchy but that’s a great picture.

To get this thread back on topic, maybe another way to make leaders better is by only allowing people who work for the US government vote for a new one.  

I wouldn’t want those in Government voting on who is in Government, however, considering who the public vote for who is in Government I’m not sure I want them voting either, and I haven’t got the understanding on who to vote for so I’m not that sure I want me voting for who is in Government. 

I also think those in Government are 99% entirely useless and go with whatever keeps them in a position of power regardless of their own intentions, beliefs, standards, morals etc and don’t deserve our vote. 

Summing up, I don’t think anyone, including me, voting does it correctly but believe we should have the vote and that we must, but not for those who we are to vote for as they are next to useless but we have to it’s all we have even tho they are next to useless… 

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11 August 2017
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Interesting point about 99% of Governments being useless, I think that this has actually become a more recent phenomenon and i’d argue there’s actually a bit of a fight back against it. A major problem is that so many people are misinformed and/or ignorant about politics. Millions of people died for our rights, so it should be our duty to inform ourselves and participate in the political process. 

If you look back at older Governments, say the FDR, JFK or Clement Attlee governments, i’d say that they had very clear philosophies and morals. Take Attlee for example, his government brought in many major changes that British people sometimes take for granted (the NHS). 

I think the problem is that from the 80’s onwards and the mass growth of free market capitalism, politicians have become hostage to big business. As I said though, I think there is a bit of a fight back against this (take Sanders and Corbyn for example). Trump doesn’t count by the way because he’s big business, even though he’s populist. 

If i’m honest, I really hate it when people call politicians liers or deem them to be all the same. There are good politicians out there, they just need to be trusted. It’s vested interests that need to be combated and unfortunately this stems from one side of the political spectrum. You can guess which.

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11 August 2017
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It is more than the collage. It is that pur voting system is winee take all. So if you get 51% of a state, you get all the votes.

Also more than that, the voting itself is FPTP which makes voters have to vote strategically.

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11 August 2017
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Unfortunately, the few speak for the many and the politicians you see and hear more often are the ones who say little of any worth or don’t bother answering the questions they are asked, instead spouting pre-arranged answers that remain steadfast to defending their own whilst attacking/blaming others. Alternatively, they come out patronising some section of society to the equivalent of patting their heads and saying we really do care about you whilst in fact brushing them off.  

Corbyn may be popular with sections of the public but most of his party have tried to get rid of him, failed, and are biding their time until they once again spot an opportunity to launch a fresh assault on his position. And it should be noted that Labour’s last manifesto was popular with voters but if they had of got into power the UK would either have been bankrupt with all the promises (apparently) made or seen more U-turns than ever before by a UK Government. And I voted Labour!!!

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11 August 2017
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Flyingbrians said

Millions of people died for our rights, so it should be our duty to inform ourselves and participate in the political process.

I actually disagree with this. I respect the lives of those who died defending my rights as an American as much as anybody, but that doesn’t necessarily put political responsibility on every single person. They were fighting for liberty, and liberty is liberty whether you vote or not. 

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Isn’t the Third Party vote in the US seen as pretty much a wasted vote as they have no chance of getting power or anywhere? The winning Party isn’t going to care less about the %.
   

Exactly, and that’s what’s f’ed up! That stigma needs to go away. I’m tired of people thinking that voting for the lesser of two evils every time is the only option. Of course, part of the problem is that the average person doesn’t even bother to learn what the third parties even are.

 

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11 August 2017
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I sure wish there wasn’t that don’t vote for 3rd party stigma because thanks to it, we had people voting for either Hillary “dishonest and way too politically correct” Clinton or Donald “childish and immature” Trump instead of people like Gary Johnson who were perfectly capable of running for president. Although i prefer Trump over Clinton, i would’ve heavily preferred that someone like Gary was running office instead of a reality TV star.

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11 August 2017
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Change the voting system. Remove First past the post voting system.

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I sure wish there wasn’t that don’t vote for 3rd party stigma because thanks to it, we had people voting for either Hillary “dishonest and way too politically correct” Clinton or Donald “childish and immature” Trump instead of people like Gary Johnson who were perfectly capable of running for president. Although i prefer Trump over Clinton, i would’ve heavily preferred that someone like Gary was running office instead of a reality TV star.  

I completely agree, there is a social norm today in America that does will not allow for a 3rd party candidate to hold office for many years. I am a strong supporter of Gary Johnson and I think that he and his running mate Bill Weld were the best candidates. However, because of the stigma attached to voting for a 3rd party candidate, Americans are not receiving the best leadership possible. 

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11 August 2017
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Because of the voting system. As it stands, voting third party is equal to supporting the main party person you hate the most. It isn’t strategic.

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But what can the US government do to change it.

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Anything. But they won’t.

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What’s your thoughts on animal captivity such as in places such as zoos and aquariums. I personally think that animals belong in the wild and that places like zoos are wrong because they are keeping animals out of their natural habitat, especially when this animal is capable of killing someone which they will do if they’re pissed off and good luck fighting a killer whale or grizzly bear. It’s best we just keep these animals alone instead of taking them away from their home and putting them in a zoo and forcing them to live in a cage just for exhibition. If i could, i’d shut down all zoos and force them to place their animals back in the wild where they belong.

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