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We Can Work It Out - Politics & Philosophy
17 June 2017
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I know, he’s got some serious behavior issues.

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I thought that I’d recap some of the stuff we’ve talked about in this thread, mainly for users like Martha and Flyingbrains who weren’t here when the thread started who might want to give out their own opinions on this stuff, so here’s a list of all the topics we’ve talked about as well as my stance on each of them.

Donald Trump:

He’s an old man with the mind of a 10 year old.

Superiority complexes:

I got nothing.

Age of consent:

16.

Dream utopia:

A hard question, there are many that I would be perfectly fine with.

Abortion:

I think that it’s wrong and should be outlawed.

Incest:

Fine by me, as long as both parties consent and it isn’t pedophilic.

Religion and Christianity:

I believe that God is fake and that the stories of the bible are fictional stories rather than things that really happened and even if he were real, he doesn’t seem like the nicest person, especially to the people who deny his existence.

What should happen to your corpse after you die:

Try removing body parts and placing them on people who need them, similar to using a broken computer for parts. If that doesn’t work, feed them to vultures, lions, and other animals who like to eat people. As for what I’d do if I found a dead person, I would steal all of their belongings, such as their wallet and clothes and walk away because as

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They can’t do anything with it once their dead.

Self evident truths of the world:

I got nothing.

Conspiracy theories that are too big to prove wrong:

I got nothing.

Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton:

I think both of them are mentally incapable of running a country but due to our stupid 2 party system, I prefer Trump.

Last Thursdayism:

I got nothing.

Military:

I think that people should use peace and love instead of killing others but what has to happen must happen.

Should non-Christians be able to celebrate Christian holidays:

I don’t see why not, it’s not like Jesus was actually born on Christmas or that Jesus actually died on the cross on Easter.

Peanut free schools:

It pisses me off that they would even do this, especially considering that there are other life threatening allergies that people have such as to dairy.

Natalist or Anti-Natalist:

I got nothing.

Drinking age:

18.

Tell me some facts about reality that you did not get from the media:

There are some schools where they allow teachers to restrain students for non-violent acts, even in America.

Legalization of drugs:

Sounds like a good idea because people will get their drugs safer than if they were illegal.

Self defense:

I don’t have a problem with it, whether it be hit for hit or lethal, as long as you’re not hitting children.

Language death:

This may sound wrong but I actually like this because I want English to be the 1st language of every country in the world.

Modern day feminism:

I’m fine with women having their rights, but I don’t like MDF, mainly because it seems to be giving women the upper hand rather than making men and women equal.

What is your religion and your thoughts on the afterlife:

I practice self-religion, as in I made up my own religion. I believe that when you die, you will be transported back to the womb at the point of conception at the same time (for example, when I die, I will return to June 1998 back in my mother’s womb) and you will live a slightly different life every time this happens, it might be better or worse than the last.

Thoughts on other religions:

I don’t believe in them but I don’t have a problem with them.

Death of Osama Bin Laden:

They shouldn’t’ve killed him because he was unarmed.

Bill Cosby going to jail:

I think they should either drop the charges or place him in a mental institution because if he was sent to prison, he’d be beat up, raped, and stabbed.

Partial birth abortion:

I hate it even worse than abortion.

Environmentally friendly:

I don’t mind it but at the same time, I think people go too far with this.

Bringing mammoths back:

I’ll pass.

Death row:

I don’t have a problem with it because some people would rather die than spend their life in prison. However, I think paroleless life sentences and death row should be avoided.

Vigilantes:

They often go too far.

Porn:

I think it’s ok, as long as they are consenting adults and it doesn’t prevent you from having sex with your significant other.

The word retarded:

I don’t have a problem with it being used to refer to someone with such a medical condition although ever since reading mmm’s post, I’ve held back on using that word in real life.

There’s also another reason I did this, so we can view all of this stuff without spending an hour searching through 31 pages like I just did.

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Thanks @Dark Overlord, I’ll join in with some of my opinions on some of those things.

A lot of these aren’t philosophy so I don’t really understand the title of the thread…

It should probably be called ‘Personal Philosophy’ instead.

Religion: 

I’m an atheist but I respect peoples right to be religious. I don’t like it when politics and religion get heavily mixed up though.

Age of consent:

16

Abortion:

I’m in favour of abortion in nearly all circumstances. 

Donald Trump:

He’s just an idiot who’ll get impeached. He has no ideology. Hilary Clinton was 100x better (but but but…. the emails!!!???????) a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

Modern-day feminism:

I support forms of feminism which advocate equality, not ones that promote female superiority (those are in a minority).

Gay rights:

Homosexual couples should have the same rights as straight couples. the LGBT community should get the same rights in society.

Dream utopia:

No wars, no poverty, mankind working together etc etc. 

Language death:

It’s inevitable so there’s no point complaining about it. All languages are just constructs anyway which have changed over centuries. 

Using words like retard, gay etc to mock people:

I haven’t used those words since I was 12 and i’d feel bad using them now. If you want to mock or make fun of someone then just call them an idiot. 

Porn:

Nothing wrong with it if it’s between consenting adults. More needs to be done to prevent young teenagers viewing certain materia though.

Death row:

I don’t believe in the death penalty so yeah…

Military:

There’s nothing wrong with a military when it’s used to protect peoples human rights and fight against evil (i.e. the Nazis, ISIS)

Environment:

Yes much more needs to be done to protect the environment. Trump is evil for what he’s done already.

Capitalism: 

I don’t like many aspects of capitalism but it’s the system we’ve got. I think it’s possible to make it work with the right balance. 

Drinking:

18

Thoughts on the afterlife:

I’ve got no thoughts… I’m going to find out one day so why think about it now?

Legalization of drugs:

If I was a leader then I might accept marijuana being legalized, but anything harder no. 

Protesting and civil disobedience:

It’s fine so long as it’s not violent. 

Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May:

OOOOOH JEREMY CORBYN!

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Flyingbrians said
Thanks @Dark Overlord, I’ll join in with some of my opinions on some of those things.

A lot of these aren’t philosophy so I don’t really understand the title of the thread…

Religion: 

I’m an atheist but I respect peoples right to be religious. I don’t like it when politics and religion get heavily mixed up though.

Age of consent:

16

Abortion:

I’m in favour of abortion in nearly all circumstances. 

Donald Trump:

He’s just an idiot who’ll get impeached. He has no ideology. Hilary Clinton was 100x better (but but but…. the emails!!!???????) a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

Modern-day feminism:

I support forms of feminism which advocate equality, not ones that promote female superiority (those are in a minority).

Gay rights:

Homosexual couples should have the same rights as straight couples. the LGBT community should get the same rights in society.

Dream utopia:

No wars, no poverty, mankind working together etc etc. 

Language death:

It’s inevitable so there’s no point complaining about it. All languages are just constructs anyway which have changed over centuries. 

Using words like retard, gay etc to mock people:

I haven’t used those words since I was 12 and i’d feel bad using them now. If you want to mock or make fun of someone then just call them an idiot. 

Porn:

Nothing wrong with it if it’s between consenting adults. More needs to be done to prevent young teenagers viewing certain materia though.

Death row:

I don’t believe in the death penalty so yeah…

Military:

There’s nothing wrong with a military when it’s used to protect peoples human rights and fight against evil (i.e. the Nazis, ISIS)

Environment:

Yes much more needs to be done to protect the environment. Trump is evil for what he’s done already.

Capitalism: 

I don’t like many aspects of capitalism but it’s the system we’ve got. I think it’s possible to make it work with the right balance. 

Drinking:

18

Thoughts on the afterlife:

I’ve got no thoughts… I’m going to find out one day so why think about it now?

Legalization of drugs:
If I was a leader then I might accept marijuana being legalized, but anything harder no. 

Protesting and civil disobedience:

It’s fine so long as it’s not violent. 

Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May:

OOOOOH JEREMY CORBYN!

Yes. The afterlife could maybe be classified as metaphysics. Religion is theology. The rest of them are not even closely related to philosophy at all. I think this is just a thread where people enjoy discussing random taboo subjects.

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Yes. The afterlife could maybe be classified as metaphysics. Religion is theology. The rest of them are not even closely related to philosophy at all. I think this is just a thread where people enjoy discussing random taboo subjects.  

It seems that way. Just edited my previous post to say that changing the thread title to ‘Personal Philosophy’ would probably be more appropiate. 

I kind of expected this thread to have discussion on people like Nietzsche, Hegel, Marx, Kant and John Stuart Mill haha stuart-sutcliffe

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Nice list @Flyingbrians it seems like you even added some things that I didn’t even mention, which I will be going over now.

Homosexuals:

I don’t have a problem with gay people at all, people like Freddie Mercury are nice people and I’m not going to hate them just because they get sexually aroused by men because I don’t see a problem with it. The only problem I have is when due to gender separation, places like prisons make people become homosexuals by preventing them from being in contact with anyone of the opposite sex, therefore removing access to heterosexual activity, often forcing the person’s sexuality to change from heterosexual to homosexual, which is one of the reasons why I believe that prisons should be sexually integrated.

Using slang terms to offend people:

It’s not nice but then again, I can only get so mad at somebody that got into an argument and called someone a fag.

Capitalism:

I prefer socialism.

Protesting and civil disobedience:

As long as it doesn’t involve violence I’m fine with it. Hell, if Martin Luther King Jr. didn’t believe in protesting, we would probably still have separate bathrooms for black and white people.

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My philosophy is to ask @Starr Shine? about changing the title of a thread she started BEFORE changing it. john-lennon-salute_gif Let’s let her weigh in on the idea.

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But what could we possibly change the title to, “Let’s talk about controversial stuff”, “Moral values”, I can’t think of a better title than Philosophy.

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Thank you @Dark Overlord! Here’s my opinion on some topics I found interesting:

Donald Trump:

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Dream utopia:

A world in which everyone is completely honest yet respectful, no one gets offended by critics but rather sees them as an opportunity to improve. And above all, peace and no poverty.

Abortion:

I’m pro-abortion. In most cases, I find it morally wrong (but that’s only my own opinion as someone who hasn’t got the slightest idea of the problems a pregnancy can yield) but everybody should have the right to get an abortion. Otherwise, where would you draw the line who’s allowed and who isn’t? But the baby should still be under a certain age.

 

Self-evident truths of the world:

There is no such thing as truth imo.

Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton:

The latter. Definitely.

Military:

I’m a pacifist. Militaries also scare me because people stop thinking and blindly follow rules instead.

Drinking age:

18 but alcohol shouldn’t be as easily available anymore as it is now.

Legalization of drugs:

Every drug but the ones you get instantly addicted to after the first consumption should be legal but the consumption should be strictly controlled by only allowing every individual to purchase small quantities.

Environmentally friendly:

That’s incredibly important! I wish every government would take it seriously, finally. All nations have to work closely together to help the developing countries which can’t cut down their carbon dioxide emission yet. And public awareness has to be changed too as general consumption is too high in many cases. 

Death row:

I have a huge problem with it, this is murder to my eyes. It should be prohibited everywhere. At the same time, the condition prisoners are living in should be improved in some countries.

Religion:  

I believe in a weird mixture of many religions and I’m still searching but mainly I believe that something, you may call it God or laws of sciences or love, is always with us as long as we believe in it.

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Philosophy is “the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.”

Personal philosophy is Philosophy.

I think the title works.

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The problem would be if people wantednto study the words of philosophers, they would have to think of another title. But that isn’t really much of a problem. 

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People could bring up philosophers here.

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Nice list Martha, that’s probably the most pleasant pro abortion statement I’ve ever read and your views seem really interesting. I wonder if anyone has an idea for a new topic. I can think of a few but I’d like to give someone else a chance before going myself.

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@Dark Overlord said

Homosexuals:

I don’t have a problem with gay people at all, people like Freddie Mercury are nice people and I’m not going to hate them just because they get sexually aroused by men because I don’t see a problem with it. The only problem I have is when due to gender separation, places like prisons make people become homosexuals by preventing them from being in contact with anyone of the opposite sex, therefore removing access to heterosexual activity, often forcing the person’s sexuality to change from heterosexual to homosexual, which is one of the reasons why I believe that prisons should be sexually integrated.

Two things. First, a homosexual person is not someone who is attracted to men — it is someone who is attracted to persons of their own gender. For men, this would mean being attracted to men; for women, this would mean being attracted to women. Second, I don’t think sex is the only reason males and females are boarded separately — it probably has something to do with the fact that you’d be more comfortable doing things like, say, showering with people of the same gender as yourself.

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People aren’t made to be homosexual. Having sex with someone of the same gender doesn’t mean you’re gay.

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Sorry about that first thing, I was thinking about gay people rather than homosexuals in general.

As for how people would rather shower with people of their own gender, there’s 2 reasons why I disagree with that statement:

1. I’d personally rather shower with someone of the opposite sex than someone of the same sex and I bet there are other people in the world who would agree with me.

2. Even so, is that a reason to segregate people. If people feel more comfortable around white people than black people should we split people up by races, I say not.

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Starr Shine? said
People aren’t made to be homosexual. Having sex with someone of the same gender doesn’t mean you’re gay.  

I don’t know, I think if two people of the same gender have consensual sex then they’re homosexuals or bisexuals or both. However if you’re referring to a straight person getting raped by a homosexual of the same sex, then I would only call the rapist a homosexual and the raped person a heterosexual.

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I’m not, your actions aren’t thoughts. That is part of why beards exist.

Plus homosexuals don’t always realize they are homosexual until after they had consensual straight sex.

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Starr Shine? said
People aren’t made to be homosexual. 

Sorry, but some people are. To turn around and say that nobody is naturally homosexual, which that statement effectively does, is to label those who are homosexual as making a deviant lifestyle choice instead of that being just who they are. Everybody has their own sexuality, and it’s rarely a choice.

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