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9 March 2017
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I don’t agree with life without the possibility of parole either, mainly because it gives the prisoner no reason to behave and if I got either that sentence or death row, I’d either try to escape and or misbehave everyday because there’s no point of behaving if I’m never getting released but since just about every politician seems fine with a parole less life sentence, I think that death row should be an option and also, I believe that death row inmates as well as people who are going to spend the rest of their lives in prison should be able to kill themselves because there’s no chance of freedom unless if they escape.
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Solitary, improved prison conditions, switch to a less strict prison. Some reasons to behave.
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I am often amazed and amused by how well-behaved the BBers are, compared with the firestorms of immature hostility one finds in so many other places on the Internet (e.g., the discussion forums at craigslist). It’s almost eery to visit Beatles Bible sometimes, after I’ve been “outside” in the World-Wider Web. Like a suddenly quiet garden in the middle of a hot, raging city.
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10.03pm
18 April 2013
Offline I wonder if I’m seen as a troublemaker. I’m usually just rude right back to people if they are rude to me. But then most of the people here are not rude at all.
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10.15pm
5 November 2011
Offline I don’t see you as a troublemaker, ExTex, but I think if you’re consistently rude back to people who are rude to you, then that is something you may want to work on. I don’t say that you should do that for the quality of the forum as much as you should do that for the quality of your own well-being. You shouldn’t let other people do that to you, man. Be the better person and kill them with kindness or just don’t respond at all.
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12.03am
11 November 2010
Offline Good question.
I used to be against the death penalty, then I was for it for a little while. Now I think that I’ve moved back towards being against it again. The biggest problem with it, in my opinion, is that innocent people often get accused of murder. Because of that, it’s almost certain that innocent people have been executed by the state before. That’s my biggest opposition to it, I think.
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Necko said
Good question.I used to be against the death penalty, then I was for it for a little while. Now I think that I’ve moved back towards being against it again. The biggest problem with it, in my opinion, is that innocent people often get accused of murder. Because of that, it’s almost certain that innocent people have been executed by the state before. That’s my biggest opposition to it, I think.
I agree with this. The problem with the State killing anyone is that people are being found to be innocent of crimes they were sentenced for and as soon as someone is dead no pardon, apology, family payout and in-depth review will bring them back.
You can argue that there are offences that warrant death sentences (e.g serial killers, terrorists) and I would find it incredibly difficult to argue against but the above would make it hard to vote in agreement to. What’s the alternative to those offences listed, however? I know many people would add child murders/rapists/paedophiles to that list and I also think they have a very strong argument.
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5.00pm
9 March 2017
Offline Pineapple Records said
I am often amazed and amused by how well-behaved the BBers are, compared with the firestorms of immature hostility one finds in so many other places on the Internet (e.g., the discussion forums at craigslist). It’s almost eery to visit Beatles Bible sometimes, after I’ve been “outside” in the World-Wider Web. Like a suddenly quiet garden in the middle of a hot, raging city.
This is a Beatles forum, The Beatles are both long gone and are a very family friendly band with songs like Good Day Sunshine and Hello Goodbye . This isn’t like a Call Of Duty forum where the majority of people on there are gamers aged 10-25, this is a forum about a rock band from the 1960’s who believed in peace and love.
Starr Shine? said
Solitary, improved prison conditions, switch to a less strict prison. Some reasons to behave.
I don’t know about you but I’d rather spend my life in solitary confinement than with the other prisoners because prisoners often like to beat up people and sometimes even rape and or stab them and considering I’m over 260 pounds and in terrible shape, I’ll take solitary any day over that.
Expert Texpert said
I wonder if I’m seen as a troublemaker. I’m usually just rude right back to people if they are rude to me. But then most of the people here are not rude at all.
Not at all, I don’t see you as a troublemaker.
meanmistermustard said
I agree with this. The problem with the State killing anyone is that people are being found to be innocent of crimes they were sentenced for and as soon as someone is dead no pardon, apology, family payout and in-depth review will bring them back.
Reminds me of George Stinney Jr., he was executed at the very young age of 14 for a murder and rape and as much as it sucks that he had to die, I also think that it was pointless of his family to try to appeal to the courts after his death because this isn’t like Night Of The Living Dead where people come back to life.
meanmistermustard said
You can argue that there are offences that warrant death sentences (e.g serial killers, terrorists) and I would find it incredibly difficult to argue against but the above would make it hard to vote in agreement to. What’s the alternative to those offences listed, however? I know many people would add child murders/rapists/paedophiles to that list and I also think they have a very strong argument.
There are definitely people like Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein where unless if you were a complete pacifist, you would be perfectly fine with them getting the death penalty, although it is possible to give people like Hitler life sentences instead, it’s not like it’s easy for people to escape from prison.
As for child murderers, I can understand you there but I don’t think that rape or pedophilia is a crime worthy of killing someone because no one got killed in the process of doing so. Even if someone commits suicide after being raped, I wouldn’t execute the rapist because he didn’t directly kill anybody nor did he order anybody to be killed.
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5.23pm
26 January 2017
Offline On a somewhat similar train of thought, what do you think of vigilantes. Not like batman, but the idea of going outside the law for justice when it can’t be found within.
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5.47pm
9 March 2017
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I’m not sure, it depends on how far they go. In the case of Casey Jones, I think he should go to anger management classes.
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Offline Homer The Vigilante <- If you have a spare 22 minutes watch that episode of the Simpsons.
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5 November 2011
Offline Dark Overlord said
As for child murderers, I can understand you there but I don’t think that rape or pedophilia is a crime worthy of killing someone because no one got killed in the process of doing so. Even if someone commits suicide after being raped, I wouldn’t execute the rapist because he didn’t directly kill anybody nor did he order anybody to be killed.
Rape and pedophila do kill people even when that person was not killed physically. It can depletes emotional well-being and cause many mental health issues (PTSD, substance abuse, flashbacks, anxiety, etc.), thus changing the person and “killing” who they were before the incident. Those people endure much more suffering from those experiences than they would if they had been killed, too. When you die, the suffering ends there; but, when you live through a traumatic event, you can endure suffering for years or decades after it occurs.
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8.46pm
9 March 2017
Offline I feel you there, even I have negative flashbacks, but would it really be fair to kill somebody just because they raped you.
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10.31pm
5 November 2011
Offline Dark Overlord said
I feel you there, even I have negative flashbacks, but would it really be fair to kill somebody just because they raped you.
It wouldn’t be fair for me to be raped, either. If you think every punishment should be tantamount to the crime, then you shouldn’t support punishments issued by the state at all. Death by means of the death penalty is very peaceful compared to the heinous crimes that were committed for them to be given that punishment. Is that fair to the victim that the person who caused them so much pain and suffering should be given a punishment much less severe than the one they inflicted upon the victim? I wouldn’t be in support of anybody getting the death penalty; but, if a rapist were killed, I definitely wouldn’t get upset about it.
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Offline I was more referring to child rapists hence why I wrote it as
I know many people would add child murders/rapists/paedophiles to that list and I also think they have a very strong argument.
Apologies for any confusion.
As for being fair to a criminal, I believe the punishment should be fitting of the crime, however, the effect of the crime on the victim and their families should be taken into account before the effect it had on the perpetrator or how remorseful he/she is.
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3.40pm
9 March 2017
Offline Little Piggy Dragonguy said
It wouldn’t be fair for me to be raped, either. If you think every punishment should be tantamount to the crime, then you shouldn’t support punishments issued by the state at all. Death by means of the death penalty is very peaceful compared to the heinous crimes that were committed for them to be given that punishment. Is that fair to the victim that the person who caused them so much pain and suffering should be given a punishment much less severe than the one they inflicted upon the victim? I wouldn’t be in support of anybody getting the death penalty; but, if a rapist were killed, I definitely wouldn’t get upset about it.
But if you believe that then wouldn’t you rather that guy suffer and get beat up in prison for the rest of his life than die and be at peace with his mind.
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1.58pm
5 November 2011
Offline Dark Overlord said
But if you believe that then wouldn’t you rather that guy suffer and get beat up in prison for the rest of his life than die and be at peace with his mind.
I’m not sure I can say that I would prefer for that person to be beat up in prison for the rest of his life over him dying. Neither of those seem especially comforting to me. Somebody else’s suffering isn’t going to abate my own, or make anything easier. If the person did suffer because of what they did, I would want it to be because they felt bad for what they did, and not because they didn’t like the ramifications of their actions.
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4.01am
9 March 2017
Offline Looks like I’ve been delivering a good chunk of the topics, here’s a new one.
What do you guys think of zero tolerance policies. I personally can’t stand them and they really piss me off because I think everything should be determined on a case by case basis. For example, in a zero tolerance school, you would get the same consequence if you hit someone because they put a knife against your throat as you would if you hit the first person that you saw because you felt like it. Places do this for 2 reasons:
1. Convenience
It’s more convenient to give out the same consequence to everybody who does something rather than hearing them out and deciding what consequence to give them or whether or not to let him go.
2. To prevent suing
Good luck trying to sue a school if you got in trouble unfairly because they’ll say that every kid who did that would’ve got the same consequence.
If your school or work has one of these policies, they’re total sellouts.
Also, how do you expect your students to learn tolerance if you don’t show it yourself, it’s like coming to school high and convincing kids not to do drugs. The funny part is that teachers expect kids to have tolerance towards them when they lack any themselves. I can only imagine something like the final scene of Conquest Of The Planet Of The Apes happening because a bunch of kids got unfair consequences and decided to revolt and overtake the school themselves.
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5.31am
27 February 2017
Offline That’s an interesting topic as it asks the fundamental question whether one should judge an action by its intention or by its consequences.
I totally agree with you that one should focus on the intention because the consequences are often influenced by coincidence. Therefore, I don’t like no tolerance policy, which is obviously ignoring any intentions, either. I have to admit that I haven’t come across no tolerance policy the way you described it yet but I get very angry when, for instance, bullies in school get punished without even thinking about what drives someone to bully a fellow. Maybe the bully gets beaten up at home without anyone noticing? And the cannabis policy over here is annoying as well. Not that I have ever tried pot or plan to do so but strictly prohibiting something is as open-minded as a stone and you’re right, teenagers only learn to be reasonable and responsible if they are able to make their own experiences and strike a balance.
So, long story short, a radical approach is never a good option and generalising things is dangerous and misleading too.
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9 March 2017
Offline What’s your cannabis policy. Also, why wouldn’t the bully tell someone that his parents and or siblings are being abusive, it doesn’t have to be a teacher but maybe a friend or something, it might help him a lot better than hurting other people.
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