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sir walter raleigh said
What are your thoughts on religion vs. spirituality and where do you draw the line?
I imagine that religion is believing in the words of the Bible and spirituality is vaguely believing that there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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I doubt Religons is believing the words of the Bible, for one, Christianity isn’t the only religion.
Religion is more orginized.
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Offline Spirituality is your inner experience of the spiritual life. Religion is a way to experience it.
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Offline Belief in religious mythology of a given hue isn’t necessary for “spirituality”, or inner contemplation, it can be present in secularism. Religious faith is often used as some kind of immunity to wrong doing and relentless hostility to other religious groups.
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Offline Penny Lane said
Belief in religious mythology of a given hue isn’t necessary for “spirituality”, or inner contemplation, it can be present in secularism. Religious faith is often used as some kind of immunity to wrong doing and relentless hostility to other religious groups.
What you are talking about is human nature. It has nothing to do with religion or belief. All social institutions are corrupt. But it is the social aspect which makes religious (and all other) institutions corrupt, not that they are religious.
Also, I didn’t say religion was necessary, I said it was “a way to experience” your inner spirituality.
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18 April 2013
Offline In my opinion, what makes exoteric religion harmful (as opposed to esoteric religion or mystical experience) is that it enforces the belief that man and God are separate.
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[…Also, I didn’t say religion was necessary, I said it was “a way to experience” your inner spirituality.
I agree, you didn’t say that, that was understood expert textpert. Yes I was talking about human nature and human constructs.
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Offline Starr Shine? said
I doubt Religons is believing the words of the Bible, for one, Christianity isn’t the only religion.Religion is more orginized.
I used the Bible as an example, not the rule.
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18 April 2013
Offline Catholics see the Word of God as Jesus, not the Bible.
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9 March 2017
Offline What do you guys think of the death of Osama Bin Laden, I personally think it was wrong and showed how much revenge and bloodlust the US can have. First, Osama was supposedly unarmed, which means that they could’ve just arrested him instead, gave him a fair trial, and properly executed him for his crimes. Next, 4 other people, 3 of whom were unarmed, were also killed, including one of Osama’s kids, who was unarmed, which makes me think that they killed some of these people just because they could. Also, they shoved Osama in a duffel bag and threw him in the ocean and refused to give a death certificate, which seems rather shady if you ask me. Lastly, they tied up the children in the house with zip ties, some as young as 5. If I were 5 years old and tied up because of something my father did, I’d be pretty pissed off. I think they should’ve captured Osama and taken to court where they would’ve labeled him as guilty and executed him farily and I would’ve let the 3 other unarmed men go because they were of no value to us and I wouldn’t’ve tied up those kids.
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1 November 2013
Offline I didn’t read your whole post cause it was a wall of text but i can see why they killed him.
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Offline I have not the slightest problem with everyone in that compound that night being viewed as a legitimate and hostile enemy target in a military operation.
Those with him can be considered as inner circle, trusted lieutenants. My own view is that it’s a miracle that anyone, including children, survived.
That bin Laden had got comfortable enough in his surroundings that weapons were unloaded, etc., frankly don’t give a damn.
That they dumped his body in the ocean, they’re to be applauded. Better that than a land based burial which could go on to become some kind of shrine.
Yes, I think they should have released more concrete proof of his death.
That is my only complaint.
In fact, I think more “bloodlust and revenge” is shown by the US in its execution of prisoners after a trial.
bin Laden shot during a military operation to neutralise a threat to international security, I can live with that.
bin Laden captured, displayed in shackles and chains, given a trial with only one possible verdict, and then dragged away for execution would be the display of “bloodlust and revenge”.
Having the death penalty is a far greater stain on your country than your military not taking any risks by trying to take him alive.
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Offline The plan was to capture him if he had surrendered by raising his hands above his head. He failed to do that. He put a woman between himself and the advancing Marine, putting his hands on her shoulders and pushing her forward. There were caches of weapons all around the compound. Had the mission then failed because Bin Ladin or the woman was armed, the opportunity to kill or capture the man who masterminded one of the worst acts of terror in history would have been lost. The marine made a split second decision to shoot. I’d say it was the right one under the circumstances.
With caches of weapons all over the compound and historical willingness of terrorists to use children to conduct acts of terror and violence the zip ties were not an unreasonable course of action.
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Ron Nasty said
I have not the slightest problem with everyone in that compound that night being viewed as a legitimate and hostile enemy target in a military operation, those with him can be considered as inner circle, trusted lieutenants.
Agreed, it’s safe to assume that all of those people were terrorists and part of Al Qaeda or at least supported Osama’s terrorism, although it is odd that they made sure to kill every adult male in the hideout whereas only 1 female got killed.
Ron Nasty said
My own view is that it’s a miracle that anyone, including children, survived.
Why would the children be killed, I doubt the terrorists would kill them and I’m pretty sure the US wouldn’t kill children because that would make them look bad and also, even though Americans such as the government, police, and the military are known to go hard on people, you’d have to really suck to kill a child. Even in the 1983 movie Scarface, Tony calls of a car bombing because there are children in the car.
Ron Nasty said
That they dumped his body in the ocean, they’re to be applauded. Better that than a land based burial which could go on to become some kind of shrine.
They could’ve just cremated him, there would be no need for a proper burial and there’d be no shrine.
Ron Nasty said
In fact, I think more “bloodlust and revenge” is shown by the US in its execution of prisoners after a trial.
But if he was properly executed, he could die knowing that he is going to die instead of a surprise attack, he could have a proper last meal, we could hear some very interesting last words, and most importantly, we can learn about why and how he did what he did and learn more about his secrets.
Ron Nasty said
bin Laden captured, displayed in shackles and chains, given a trial with only one possible verdict, and then dragged away for execution would be the display of “bloodlust and revenge”.
I’ll give you that, without a doubt he’d get death row, they’re not going to go easy on the guy who is the mastermind behind one of the worst suicide bombings of all time, they’d give him the same sentence Winston Churchill would’ve given Adolf Hitler if he didn’t commit suicide, which is death.
Pablo Ramon said
The plan was to capture him if he had surrendered by raising his hands above his head. He failed to do that.
Did the soldiers say “put your hands above your head or we’re going to shoot” or even just “put your hands over your head”. If so, then it’s ok that they shot him. If not, then they it was wrong of them to shoot.
Pablo Ramon said
Historical willingness of terrorists to use children to conduct acts of terror and violence.
Didn’t think children had the capacity to commit acts of terror, going to have to look more into this one.
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9 March 2017
Offline Since something unfortunate may soon happen to a great comedian, I want to ask you guys a question.
Do you think Bill Cosby should be charged with rape and have to go to prison.
I think that they should drop the charges. Now before I explain why, I want to make it clear that I’m not saying that he didn’t rape anybody. Although I believe some of the claims are rubbish, this isn’t like a bunch of feminists claiming they were raped by Donald Trump when they were 6 years old, these claims seem legitimate and Bill Cosby is loved by families everywhere, there’s no way 75 women would all make false claims about being raped or otherwise sexually assaulted by Bill Cosby.
There are 2 reasons why I think Bill shouldn’t be charged:
1. He’s an 80 year old man, a senior citizen. If he were sent to prison, he would be raped, beat up, and stabbed by the fellow inmates, it’s not like he has the physical strength to defend himself. Sure, they could put him in solitary confinement, but that seems like a really harsh punishment for an old man.
2. These sex crimes happened a very long time ago, most of them happened in the 70’s and 80’s, with the earliest one happening in 1965 and the most recent one happening in 2008, although considering some of these claims could very likely be false, the most recent one could’ve happened back in the 90’s. Would you want an old man to spend the rest of his life getting beat up in prison because of something he did in his 30’s and 40’s. Also, the 2008 rape was dismissed due to the statute of limitations, which means how long after the crime was committed before you’re no longer able to charge him for it, so hopefully his lawyers mention this on June 5th and they drop the charges or at the very least, send him to a locked facility or nursing home instead of prison.
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Since something unfortunate may soon happen to a great comedian, I want to ask you guys a question.
Do you think Bill Cosby should be charged with rape and have to go to prison.
I think that they should drop the charges. Now before I explain why, I want to make it clear that I’m not saying that he didn’t rape anybody. Although I believe some of the claims are rubbish, this isn’t like a bunch of feminists claiming they were raped by Donald Trump when they were 6 years old, these claims seem legitimate and Bill Cosby is loved by families everywhere, there’s no way 75 women would all make false claims about being raped or otherwise sexually assaulted by Bill Cosby.
There are 2 reasons why I think Bill shouldn’t be charged:
1. He’s an 80 year old man, a senior citizen. If he were sent to prison, he would be raped, beat up, and stabbed by the fellow inmates, it’s not like he has the physical strength to defend himself. Sure, they could put him in solitary confinement, but that seems like a really harsh punishment for an old man.
So. If guilty and the sentence is prison then off to prison you go, shouldn’t matter what age you are. Rolf Harris was sent to prison in the UK for multiple sexual assaults and he is older than Cosby.
2. These sex crimes happened a very long time ago, most of them happened in the 70’s and 80’s, with the earliest one happening in 1965 and the most recent one happening in 2008, although considering some of these claims could very likely be false, the most recent one could’ve happened back in the 90’s. Would you want an old man to spend the rest of his life getting beat up in prison because of something he did in his 30’s and 40’s. Also, the 2008 rape was dismissed due to the statute of limitations, which means how long after the crime was committed before you’re no longer able to charge him for it, so hopefully his lawyers mention this on June 5th and they drop the charges or at the very least, send him to a locked facility or nursing home instead of prison.
If you commit murder when 18 and it’s only proved and you’re convicted when you’re aged 80 should you get off with it as you are now old? I think more of the victims who have spent their lives having to live with the consequences of the crime, not for the offender and that he/she is now old. They lived their lives knowing what they did but got on with it.
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Offline Dark Overlord said
I think that they should drop the charges. Now before I explain why, I want to make it clear that I’m not saying that he didn’t rape anybody. Although I believe some of the claims are rubbish, this isn’t like a bunch of feminists claiming they were raped by Donald Trump when they were 6 years old, these claims seem legitimate and Bill Cosby is loved by families everywhere, there’s no way 75 women would all make false claims about being raped or otherwise sexually assaulted by Bill Cosby.
There are 2 reasons why I think Bill shouldn’t be charged:
1. He’s an 80 year old man, a senior citizen. If he were sent to prison, he would be raped, beat up, and stabbed by the fellow inmates, it’s not like he has the physical strength to defend himself. Sure, they could put him in solitary confinement, but that seems like a really harsh punishment for an old man.
2. These sex crimes happened a very long time ago, most of them happened in the 70’s and 80’s, with the earliest one happening in 1965 and the most recent one happening in 2008, although considering some of these claims could very likely be false, the most recent one could’ve happened back in the 90’s. Would you want an old man to spend the rest of his life getting beat up in prison because of something he did in his 30’s and 40’s. Also, the 2008 rape was dismissed due to the statute of limitations, which means how long after the crime was committed before you’re no longer able to charge him for it, so hopefully his lawyers mention this on June 5th and they drop the charges or at the very least, send him to a locked facility or nursing home instead of prison.
You say ‘feminist’ as if it’s a terrible thing to be, at its very core feminism is just allowing women to be considered equal human beings to men….are you saying they shouldn’t be?
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What you’re saying can also be referred to individuals linked to Nazism who were put on trial in the 90’s, 00’s and 10’s (last year an Auschwitz guard, who is 94 years old, was jailed for 5 years for his role in the holocaust).
If he were sent to prison, he would be raped, beat up, and stabbed by the fellow inmates
So similar to what happened to some of his victims then? If he had any sense of remorse or regret for his actions he would have handed himself in earlier in his life and not hoped to get away with it, like he so clearly did. It doesn’t matter what age someone was (within reason of course, a 2 year old who shot someone accidentally after finding their parent’s gun shouldn’t be held responsible), a crime was committed and they need to be held accountable for what they did.
Would you want an old man to spend the rest of his life getting beat up in prison because of something he did in his 30’s and 40’s
Like I’ve said before, he did the actions, he has to suffer the consequences. It’s not like he was forced to drug and rape women, he actively did it, and repeatedly. He showed no remorse to his victims, so why should we.
He’s a sick man, who deserves to reap what he sowed.
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Offline Cosby deserves way worse than the holocaust guard. The guard would have been punished even worse during the war had he disobeyed, and now he is paying the price of working under the horrible Nazi regime. He is in no way innocent, but he was partly a victim of being his age, sex, and nationality during a certain period.
Cosby on the other hand deserves to be tried, and if convicted, sentenced for each case and sent away to prison. This is an important case to prove that no matter who you are, even if you’re an important covil rights figure, this behavior is unacceptable.
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Offline meanmistermustard said
So. If guilty and the sentence is prison then off to prison you go, shouldn’t matter what age you are. Rolf Harris was sent to prison in the UK for multiple sexual assaults and he is older than Cosby.
I don’t think Rolf Harris should’ve went to jail either. Also, like I said, Bill can’t defend himself against very strong men who are in their 20’s and 30’s
meanmistermustard said
If you commit murder when 18 and it’s only proved and you’re convicted when you’re aged 80 should you get off with it as you are now old? I think more of the victims who have spent their lives having to live with the consequences of the crime, not for the offender and that he/she is now old. They lived their lives knowing what they did but got on with it.
I have to agree with you there, I’d rather kill someone at 18 and get away with it until I was 80 then get caught immediately and get a life sentence. However, there is a thing called the statute of limitations here in the US where Bill Cosby lives which prevents someone from getting charged for committing a crime that they committed after a certain amount of time and I think that the certain amount of time has passed.
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You say ‘feminist’ as if it’s a terrible thing to be, at its very core feminism is just allowing women to be considered equal human beings to men….are you saying they shouldn’t be?
If you must know, I am personally not fond of modern day feminism, I’ve mentioned this before on the forum, but that doesn’t matter. Regardless of whether or not I support feminism, that has nothing to do with the claim. Here’s the basis of my sentence:
…this isn’t like a bunch of bunch of people who hate a certain person claiming they were raped by that person when they were very little…
Most feminists don’t like Donald Trump, so I decided to use that to fill in the blanks.
AppleScruffJunior said
What you’re saying can also be referred to individuals linked to Nazism who were put on trial in the 90’s, 00’s and 10’s (last year an Auschwitz guard, who is 94 years old, was jailed for 5 years for his role in the holocaust).
That really sucks. If they wanted to charge that guard, they should’ve done it in the 1940’s and if you’re going to put a sentence on him now, it should be capital punishment because he’s at the age where he could die any day now. I’d feel bad for that guy if he dies in prison during a short sentence. It’s especially wrong because that guy hasn’t done anything criminally wrong in over 70 years and clearly doesn’t have the intention to.
AppleScruffJunior said
So similar to what happened to some of his victims then?
So you’re saying that a man who raped women back in the 1970’s should be raped and beat up by a bunch of men. This may sound wrong but I don’t think being raped is a fair sentence for a rapist, I think us Americans should be the better man and show some compassion and mercy, not full mercy but some.
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meanmistermustard said
So. If guilty and the sentence is prison then off to prison you go, shouldn’t matter what age you are. Rolf Harris was sent to prison in the UK for multiple sexual assaults and he is older than Cosby.I don’t think Rolf Harris should’ve went to jail either. Also, like I said, Bill can’t defend himself against very strong men who are in their 20’s and 30’s
Is it just those who are old or anyone who cannot defend themselves? Should we have an age-limit, say anyone older than the retirement age cannot be sentenced as they might be attacked? What about someone who isn’t physically strong enough or cannot handle themselves in a fight? Are we only taking into consideration sexual offenders or are murders allowed to avoid jail if deemed old?
Why are you so focused on the offender and not on the victim who has had to live with the consequences of horrific actions by another person? Should they not experience some sense of justice?
If Crosby is found guilty then I hope he is sentenced appropriately and if that is a prison term then so be it. If he dies in prison personally I don’t care. He commited the crimes, he has to face up to the consequences.
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