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Ron Nasty said
I don’t understand @Starr Test’s response at all, his first example sounds more like two drunks swapping punches to see who can stay standing the longest. That’s not self-defense. If somebody launches an unprovoked assault on you, they don’t throw one punch and then say, “Your turn!” That sounds more like “shenanigans” from the Simpsons. The idea that, if you’re attacked, and you defend yourself, you shouldn’t be allowed to press charges is ludicrous. So, you’ve been attacked on your way home by someone out of their mind on drugs who needs money, and though you’ve done your best to defend yourself, you end up being badly beaten and robbed, and the person who has committed this CRIME you should allow to get away with it. Really? Obviously, if it’s just a heat-of-the-moment thing between friends, maybe… but I’m not sure a falling-out between friends that’s made up the next day is what @HMBeatlesfan has in mind here.

Interesting post. Anyways, there are many reasons that you shouldn’t be able to press charges if you defend yourself:

1. If you get into a fight because someone hit you, you’re getting even with them but if you hit them and press charges, you’re making it so you’re getting more back then the other person.

2. Although you can recover from a punch, you have to admit that if you hit back, you are hurting the person as well, so it’s not like you’re the only one getting hurt and there are actually times where I’ve gotten into fights that end with both of us bleeding and barely able to get up

3. It’s stupid to press charges for a simple assault, which is what I was referring to in the post, and it makes the victim look like a pussy. I’ve actually gotten arrested for this and trust me on this, if I could, I’d make it so simple assaults non-arrestable (unless if you are one of the people I mention in #2 of course).

Ron Nasty said
And, the same counts for point two. Now, I won’t pretend I have not hit a female. My younger sister and I had physical fights during our early years (probably up until around 10). I was brought up never to hit a woman, and with the exception of Helen, I cannot think another woman I have ever hit. However, were I attacked by a woman, I would have no problem defending myself, including hitting back if necessary.

I was brought up to believe that hitting females is wrong, so that’s why I think it’s wrong, similar to how I grew up with The Beatles so I like to listen to The Beatles.

Ron Nasty said
The same with someone with a disability. Does, as an example, an ex-soldier who’s lost a limb to an IED present a lesser threat to your life than an ex-soldier who hasn’t lost a limb? Both have had the same training to do damage.

If 2 soldiers have the same amount of training but one of them is missing a limb, the amputee is going to get his ass kicked, are you really that stupid. Also, I was referring to people like this.

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Ron Nasty said
And, while obviously you shouldn’t react to young children as you would otherwise, an attack by a 14-year-old 200lb 6ft youth could see you just as badly hurt as attack by someone of any age that size.

Good point, but I use the age of consent to determine whether or not the person is old enough for me to hit, which is typically agreed to be 16.

Ron Nasty said
And the third just sounds like, again, fighting for fun. “Ooo! I’ve been trying to mug you for ten minutes, but you just keep on trying to stop me. Let’s just shake hands and forget it.”

Number 3 sure sounds stupid, doesn’t it, don’t why I put it there.

Ron Nasty said
Self-defense is a necessary evil in some situations. No more force than is necessary should be used. Should that self-defense result in serious injury or death, the justification should open to be examined in a court.

Human life is precious and killing someone would be playing god, I believe even people like Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein should get life in prison instead of being executed and if I was in a situation where someone was going to kill me, I would try several different things, such as:

1. Run For Your Life

2. hit him enough so he can’t get up but not enough so he is dead or permanently injured

3. restraining him

4. the paper bag method, you can see this being done in The Simpsons episode Sex, Pies, And Idiot Scrapes, it renders the victim unconscious, but doesn’t kill him

5. grabbing the gun and either taking it from him or holding it in my hand so that when he pulls the trigger, my hand may be in s**t condition but I’m not dead

Ron Nasty said
However, the laws which govern a justifiable response need to be strong. America has weak laws on what is self-defense, in my opinion. The murder of Travyon Martin showed that, shot for being African-American in a white area.

Agreed.

Are there exceptions to that, like for example, if he was touching your privates without your permission and you punched him, would both of you get in trouble, or if he was trying to shank you and you hit him, would you both get in trouble. Back in the 60’s and 70’s, schools weren’t so pacifistic, teachers didn’t mind self defense and if someone hit you and you hit back, you would most likely not get in trouble, at least in the area I lived in. Nowadays, schools like to do contradicting things, such as not supporting self defense, but support the military or encouraging kids to use the bathroom when they need to, but not having bathrooms on school buses and writing up kids who piss in a bottle on the bus if they get caught.