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Ron Nasty said
I ask the question, do the majority of space scientists believe we have not traversed the Van Allen belts and reached the moon, and if you say that that is the majority opinion now, connect me to one mainstream site or source that show the scientific community are in general agreement that the moon landings were faked. You can’t do that.

You’re right about one thing, “You (I) can’t do that”, and here’s why…  Any science done through NASA is highly compartmentalized…  You have one scientist working on one specific area, while another team works on another small detail…  They are given very little to no information as to why they are being asked to tackle a certain task…  They’re given a very generous sum of money to do what they’re asked to do and must sign a very strict non-disclosure agreement before they even know what they’re expected to do…  There is no “scientific community” and no “majority opinion” on anything…  They are in direct competition with each other for highly coveted contracts and not even allowed to share the slightest details of what they’re working on between them, unless directed by NASA…  All information is highly sanitized and periodically NASA does release limited data (they especially like pictures that look good in magazines and on TV) just to wet the public’s appetite to target more tax dollars being allocated…  None dare speak out against NASA’s findings or past follies (such as the Apollo Missions) without serious repercussions…

Professor James M. McCanney M.S., who was teaching Physics at Cornell University during the 1970’s, was fired from his job for his astounding papers on the electrical nature of the Solar System which are now being vindicated by modern space probe data…  He was effectively blackballed for being far ahead of his time…  You won’t find his copyrighted works in libraries or bookstores ANYWHERE…  He had access to mission data at Cornell, a hotspot for space science largely due to Carl Sagan’s presence there at the time…  Sagan’s job was to interface NASA with the public and promote their unproven, often outdated theories, such as the ‘Dirty Snowball Comet Model’ that they invented in the 1950’s before we had ANY hard data on the nature of comets, without ever questioning them…  (kinda like claiming that you’ve successfully navigated humans through the Van Allen Belts without knowing much about them at the time other than where they are)  Isn’t science supposed to be about investigating numerous possibilities and being open to new discoveries without bias?  In other words, questioning scientific claims instead of simply adopting them and not be afraid to admit that you were in error before new information comes to light…  No, they find ways to explain away why they’re still right, even when they know that they’re wrong…

To answer your question, Ron Nasty, the only “scientific community” that “are in general agreement” about anything are those who are looking to advance their careers and they know all to well how to do that, or how not to do that…  Even Nikola Tesla was put under house arrest in his twilight years for disagreeing with The Powers That Be…  Going against NASA’s bidding is met with the same treatment as those who defy the U.S. Military…  NASA IS part of the U.S. Military, it’s just given a false “exploration of the cosmos” theatre in order to get funding…  Don’t ask me to post sources that could get a Beatles’ website shutdown and have unwanted visitors at my doorstep…  Not gonna do that for you Ron Nasty…  sorry…

ewe2 said 
I refer you to this helpful essay with references to further information. If you wish to respond to this post, I will expect you to have at least read the essay and some of the references, as a courtesy to the argument and the facts.

I skimmed over your required reading here, ewe2 (the other links will have to wait another day), and saw nothing that I hadn’t seen before…  Same old rhetoric…  I did find a couple of things interesting, however, starting with the 2010 date of publication and then page 8 which is titled ‘Radiation protection solutions’…  Apparently the author forgot to insert the word “possible” before “solutions” for that’s all it really covers…  How that relates to the 2010 date?  That should be self-evident for even if it had of said 1968 (Apollo 8) it’s pretty clear that they still wouldn’t have had adequate protection for humans traversing the Van Allen Belts inside a metallic spacecraft…  He implies that if we were to attempt this feat during low Solar activity that it’d be safer, which is hard to digest…  The areas inside the Van Allen Belts that are not as active are STILL nowhere near safe for humans and the Sun is anything but predictable…  At the turn of this century, circa 2002-2003 while we were supposed to be going through a Solar Minimum, the Earth saw X-Class flares that were nothing like anything in recorded history…  You don’t send humans into an extreme radiation environment without adequate shielding and hope that the Sun behaves while you do it!

Possible solutions in 2010 for future considerations, sure, but still no explanation as to how multiple Apollo missions from the 1960s/70s (whose flight paths supposedly went directly through the area) with zero human casualties accomplished this…  You’d think that with a safety record like that (one of the crew just passed away and lived to be 87!) that you’d stick with what worked so successfully many years go and allocate your limited resources elsewhere, no?…:-) 

ewe2 said

OK, so you couldn’t be bothered reading it all and what you did read is clearly above your comprehension, I’m not wasting more time on you.   

It’s not that I “couldn’t be bothered reading it all”, ewe2, I simply didn’t have the time to read it all…  I do have a life outside of thebeatlesbible and was actually getting an earful from my other half for taking so long on the computer when I replied…  I do have a rudimentary understanding of celestial mechanics and plasma physics and, as I said, “saw nothing that I hadn’t seen before”…  I can appreciate you “not wasting more time” with this because I’m pretty much there myself…  I’ve provided extensive videos during the original thread with official statements from NASA, interviews with the Astronauts that allegedly successfully traversed the Van Allen Belts (one of them confessed to not even knowing about going through them but changed his story once corrected on it) amongst many examples of doctored NASA pictures & footage…

There’s even inculpatory evidence pointing towards NASA orchestrating a disturbing incident in the death of three crewmen aboard the original Apollo mission a year before Apollo 8…  One of the three was Gus Grissom who was, in fact, targeted to be the first to walk on the Moon…  NASA made an example of him to any who dare question or criticize their agenda…  Gus was the real hero here…  I’ve all ready posted videos outlining what really happened, there’s documentation that only his son was able to secure years later and audio from Gus himself before he perished…  I’m not gonna keep posting videos which undeniably expose NASA for the farce that it is when the only response is the continued beating of the “conspiracy theorist” drum…  THAT’s the telltale signs of one who lacks “comprehension” of the facts…

Starr Shine? said
You think Russia would want to disprove the moon landing. They had decades to do so and a vested interest in discrediting the US.

This is another popular attempt at debunking, one that doesn’t stand up at all…  The Moscow Times publication didn’t exist back then (even if it had of I highly doubt that you could’ve purchased it at your local newsstand), exactly what arena would the Russians be permitted to voice their views?  I mean, if NASA’s own media offerings were scripted with smoke and mirrors (see the footage that I provided from Apollo 11’s debrief press conference), what chance would a Russian have in getting a candid interview?!  How many of their top-level scientists even spoke English?  There was no internet, no “social media”…  just Television…  a medium which was (still is) strictly controlled and you had nowhere near the myriad of channels that are available today…  How welcome would one from the Soviet Union be received, if they were allowed to even leave in the first place at the height of the Cold War (defection was a real concern with anyone departing back then)?  Let’s just say that they were permitted to comment on U.S. Television, what kind of reaction do think their views would’ve garnered?  I’m thinking that the general consensus of the public would’ve been “sour grapes”…  You think that broadcasts of the Apollo Parade would’ve been interrupted with Breaking News that the Russians claim that it’s all bologna?  How many people in the U.S. today believe anything that Vladimir Putin has to say?  President Trump, and perhaps a handful of others…

The Russians were still miles ahead of the U.S. in the space race and they weren’t about to be distracted by NASA’s inability to keep up…  The only thing that slowed their development was their sagging economy…  It didn’t last long, however, for they had a friend in China who were just as eager as they in furthering their program…  Virtually all of the technology that kickstarted Chinese involvement in the final frontier was Russian, and both of them are still using the same rocketry and developing it as NASA twists in the wind trying to re-invent itself after every State of The Union Address…  They actually HAVE “discredited the U.S.” and did it without Hollywood Productions or Media Bashing…  The U.S. is all ready doing a mighty fine job of “discrediting” themselves in this area…  While NASA spends dollars in the seven figure range to develop a pen that’ll work in outer space (yes, it requires gravity for ink to flow), Russia & China use a pencil and get on with it…  That’s how you further space exploration and they’re likely a lot closer to solving the Van Allen Belt problem because of it…:-)

Starr Shine? said 

that pen can write underwater. Like to see a pencil do that.  

Oh.. You’re one of those who believes that there’s water on the moon?…  Never bought into that “conspiracy” myself personally…:-)

Starr Shine? said
Yah, cause the moon’s the only thing in space, also.  

If they’d moved past the Van Allen Belts during the 1960s, when they said that they did, and then set their sights on Europa next which shows all the signs of liquid water beneath its thick icy crust, maybe perhaps one could justify allocating the funds for developing a pen for that mission (there’d likely be a lengthy stay for those astronauts below the surface)…  but when you have many people monitoring your training exercises with audio feeds, where’s the justification in wasting your limited resources on such an endeavour?  Yes, this juggernaut of an instrument could be useful beneath an icy crust several miles deep where liquid water exists, but on the Moon where limited amounts of frozen water are scattered about on the poles and deep below the surface?  Absolutely unnecessary…  and any claims that a pencil could contaminate and endanger the mission onboard have been squelched by their continued use in space without any problems…:-)