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1.55pm
26 January 2017
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Top ten Zepics: (what counts as an epic song is debatable)
Over The Hills And Far Away
Stairway To Heaven
Achilles Last Stand
Immigrant song
When The Levee Breaks
The Song Remains The Same
The Ocean
What Is And What Should Never Be
No Quarter
Dazed And Confused
Way too many epic Zeppelin songs.
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3.21pm
26 January 2017
Offline By contrast, The Beatles only have a few epic sounding songs, such as Let It Be and the Carry That Weight medley section. Isn’t Kashmir an epic though? I would say it’s more epic than Over The Hills or The Ocean.
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3.52pm
26 January 2017
Offline Possible more epic, but I’m not as big a fan of the song. Both OTH&FA and The Ocean have 3 different sections, all of which explode upon entry. They also have really beautiful outros. I would classify them as epic.
In the same sense, I’d call Happiness Is A Warm Gun epic and While My Guitar Gently Weeps as well despite not breaking into different sections.
Two songs on Ram propel forward and are “epic”: Uncle Albert /Admiral Halsey and Long Haired Lady.
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6.10pm
26 January 2017
Offline I don’t define ‘epic’ as having multiple sections though.. I’d say it’s more to do with the nature of the composition – it needs to be dramatic and huge sounding, whereas OTH&FA and TO (whilst they are great songs) are not.
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vonbonteeI've been up on the mountain, and I've seen his wondrous grace,
I've sat there on the barstool and I've looked him in the face.
He seemed a little haggard, but it did not slow him down,
he was humming to the neon of the universal sound.
6.53pm
26 January 2017
Offline QuarryMan said
I don’t define ‘epic’ as having multiple sections though.. I’d say it’s more to do with the nature of the composition – it needs to be dramatic and huge sounding, whereas OTH&FA and TO (whilst they are great songs) are not.
Fair enough in regards to The Ocean, but OFH&FA I think does qualify as epic through your definition.
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7.38pm
1 December 2009
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Chronological
1. Dazed and Confused – wah violin bow frenzy
2. Stairway – I danced with my teacher to this song in 1981
3. When the Levee Breaks – Unbreakable
4. The Rain Song
5. In My Time of Dying
6. Kashmir
7. Ten Years Gone
8. In the Light
9. Achilles Last Stand
10. Carouselambra
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11.23pm
14 December 2009
Offline Omg Dazed and Confused is on the local rock radio right now
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10.06am
19 January 2017
Offline I think everyone has a different definition of epic. To me it’s mainly down to length, but instrumentation and structural changes can make a song more epic.
For Beatles songs I’d only define I Want You (She’s So Heavy) and Revolution 9 as epics.
I’d say Kashmir and Stairway are Led Zeppelin’s most epic songs.
I think epic songs were mainly a 70’s phenomenon, given the prominence of prog etc. You don’t get many these days if at all.
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10.30am
14 December 2009
Offline I wouldn’t know…but in my imagination, the prog metallers of today specialize in that sort of thing.
The length factor is likewise one of my personal determinants for determination of epicness, but I think other factors figure into it, Beatlewise. The fact that pop rock songs over 6 or 5 or even 4 minutes were pretty scarce before 1967 ot so necessarily reduces the number of Beatletrax that qualify on those terms, but SFF and especially ADITL (and maybe others) certainly seem like epics to me even with a reasonable length.
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10.49am
19 January 2017
Offline Von Bontee said
I wouldn’t know…but in my imagination, the prog metallers of today specialize in that sort of thing.
Yes i’d say you’re right here. Bands like Dream Theatre come to mind. I guess there are still some prog rock bands out there as well but I woulsdn’t know.
Von Bontee said
but SFF and especially ADITL (and maybe others) certainly seem like epics to me even with a reasonable length.
I was very close to mentioning ADITL but chose not to. Given what went before, I guess it’s easy to see how songs such as SFF and ADITL would be considered epics. The 70s just blew the whole concept out of proportion.
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11.19am
5 May 2017
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Zeppelin is like the most greatest English hard rock band out there. (Notice that I said hard rock, so don’t shoot me)Sorry, guys, but John Bonzo is the greatest drummer of all time and you know it.
Oh, and sorry, Ringo. You know it, too.
I’m sorry but I can’t stand it when people say Bonham was the greatest ever. Not even close to the best in rock!! Mitch Mitchell and Carl Palmer would play circles around him. If you look at drummers from every genre Bonham is an amateur, Gene Krupa is king and Buddy Rich would literally beat him with one hand. John admitted that he could never touch those jazz guys himself. Papa Jo Jones, Sid Catlett, Steve Gadd all far better…
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12.29pm
9 March 2017
Offline You make it seem like John’s a bad drummer. Sure, there are better drummers out there but try to play the drum parts to songs like Moby Dick or Rock And Roll, John is a great drummer and can easily go in my top 10. Also, i can think of many many many many many many many many drummers that are inferior to him such as DJ Fontana, The Beatles that aren’t Ringo Starr , Keith Moon, Bill Ward, Roger Taylor, Stuart Copeland, Charlie Watts, Lars Ulrich, Mike Portnoy, Tommy Lee, Phil Collins, Dave Lombardo, Tre Cool, Rick Allen, Travis Barker, Jimmy Nicol, Pete Best, Meg White, the list goes on. Sorry if i’m going too hard on you but it really pisses me off when you try to make John Bonham look like a bad drummer because he isn’t, he knew his stuff and he had a great feel.
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8.45pm
14 December 2009
Offline Yeah Billy shear, you posted the same thing a month ago. There’s no comparing jazz and rock drummers, but I think Mitchell and Palmer are fair comparisons to Bonham. I’d accept the argument that either were more technically accomplished than Bonham, even as I’d argue that he had better sense of groove, rock impact, whatever.
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5.35am
19 January 2017
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You can’t listen to a song like Achilles Last Stand or Trampled Under Foot and say that Bonzo is overrated. His feel for the groove and the sound he created was mindblowing.
I don’t like comparing musicians from different genres, because every genre has different styles of playing. It’s the same for every instrument by the way.
@BillyShear would you say that you regard technical ability as the most important facet of a musician? If so i’d be interested to hear your thoughts on Ringo’s drumming 
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5.11pm
27 February 2017
Offline I’m on a MASSIVE Led Zeppelin kick at the moment and they became my second favourite band in next to no time (Sorry, David). Over the last couple of days, I’ve listened to all the albums from Led Zeppelin to Houses of the Holy (and occasionally also Physical Graffiti and later stuff) at least once a day. The best thing, in my opinion, is the mystical, fantastic atmosphere songs like Battle Of Evermore have on them, Jimmy’s guitar work, especially on the acoustic guitar, and Bonham’s drumming. Right now I’m listening to the drums on Since I’ve been loving you and the tom fills as well as the usage of the ride cymbal are so awesome!
My favourite songs are in no particular order:
The Battle Of Evermore
Going To California
Stairway To Heaven
Misty Mountain Hop
Dancing Days
D’yer Mak’er
Friends
Out On The Tiles
Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
Moby Dick
Good Times Bad Times
Babe, I’m Gonna Leave You
Black Mountain Side
In My Time Of Dying
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10.23pm
11 April 2016
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Super cool! Keep up the awesome work, @Martha! 
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2.26am
26 January 2017
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I've sat there on the barstool and I've looked him in the face.
He seemed a little haggard, but it did not slow him down,
he was humming to the neon of the universal sound.
11.11pm
11 April 2016
Offline I. Have. No. Doubt. She. Will. Get. To. It. Soon. If. She. Hasn’t. Heard. It. Already. QuarryMan.
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1.03am
27 February 2017
Offline QuarryMan said
Listen. To. The. Rain . Song.
WeepingAtlasCedars said
I. Have. No. Doubt. She. Will. Get. To. It. Soon. If. She. Hasn’t. Heard. It. Already. QuarryMan.
Oh, that was a message for me? Haha, I didn’t realise it, I thought it was for the general Led Zeppelin appreciating audience.
Anyway, my experiences with the Rain Song are the following: I found it really cool but somehow a bit short and I wondered why it ended in such a strange way. Then I found out that the version I was listening to (on a Houses of the Holy copy from the library) which is 2:43 long and cuts the song at the beginning of the solo after the first verse isn’t the real version! I’ve been listening to an accidentally cut version all time without knowing it!
So I listened to the whole song for the first time in my life yesterday (while it rained cats and dogs, how fitting) and, wow, it’s such a beautiful, epic, awesome song but I don’t have to tell you, I guess, as you know it all already! Jimmy is such a genius, these chords are so mindblowing!Definitely also one of my favourite Led Zeppelin songs!
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8.24am
26 January 2017
Offline Yes!!! It’s perfect on every level imaginable (except the strings are too loud in the mix when they first come in). The chord sequence at 0:18 is probably the most beautiful one ever conceived. It’s my favourite LZ song and my favourite part to learn on the guitar.
Some of my favourite parts –
The Something – esque opening (Jimmy borrowed the chords from George)
The ‘Sheeee-awww’ in the verses, which reminds me of The Smith’s How Soon Is Now?
The lyrics – a mile above LZ’s usual (fairly awful) standard. Simple and poetic.
That little descending countermelody at 2:45 and other points.
When the drums enter.
After the orchestra when a cello line turns into bass.
Jimmy’s riffing under the vocals in the finale.
The ending guitar where it goes minor and eerie but then resolves itself.
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Flyingbrians, sir walter raleigh, Martha, Beatlebug, WeepingAtlasCedars, vonbonteeI've been up on the mountain, and I've seen his wondrous grace,
I've sat there on the barstool and I've looked him in the face.
He seemed a little haggard, but it did not slow him down,
he was humming to the neon of the universal sound.
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