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The pound wobbled……But is back up.

Atlas still on the job and the sky hasn’t fallen.

Interesting times……..and we’ve little choice but to live them.

Keep calm and listen to the White Album ……..It ain’t Dunkirk.

50yearslate said
That’s very strange…

So things are great here in the US, amirite???? Government shutdown, wall funding… it’s all good.

  

I live in a Navy town. The shutdown is the only thing anybody ever talks about. 

QuarryMan said
Trump needs to realise that only around a quarter of the US population voted for his wall, and that holding government employees hostage is not going to make the policy any more popular with the remaining 3/4. He had 2 years of Republican controlled Congress anyways, why didn’t he set it in motion right from the beginning?

  

Yes I agree his Republican Party are as bad as the Dems…..Well almost. They like the cheap labour and are under the control of business pressure groups who paved their way into power. The Dems are treading the Tony Blaire path of importing voters…Not my business I know…..Up to US Citizens. 

But what’s the feeling on finally dealing with illegal immigration? A wall and a change to the laws should be so straightforward. 

I support those who have queued for their Green cards….Should put this in Pet Peeves…….but I hate queue jumpers. Not fair.

A wall with doors? Don’t see why there’s the fuss?  

Just like getting out of Afghanistan after 17 years sooner or later a US President will have to grasp these nettles. 

Having said that…….I jumped in here because an almost 98 year old man nearly ‘blew his mind out in a car.’……I happen to like the old Duke and glad he’s OK but he clearly shouldn’t be allowed at the wheel again……For the safely of others.

Dark Overlord said
The main problem with the wall (besides the fact that borders only separate us) is that it would cost about $70 billion dollars to build, that’s more than Mark Zuckerberg’s net worth pissed away on an overpriced wall that can’t even truly stop illegal immigration since most illegal immigrants come here legally but overstay their visa and become illegal immigrants.

  

Pew refutes that assertion………Of the current estimate of about 11 million illegals, (it could be double that) 6 to 7 million illegal border crossings against 4 to 5.5 visa overstays……Both over time huge problems……Both problems need tackling.

Walls don’t only separate…..they protect, I’m sure you’ve got walls and locks on your doors……..Obama and Nancy have too.

Israel is practically surrounded by walls precisely because they work…American taxpayers Reps’ and Dems have no problem funding these walls to protect Israelis…..But American citizens can continue to be put at risk it seems……They are obligated to pay for the services illegal immigrants claim but not offered effective protection.

While most first generation legal immigrants to the US are more law abiding than the general population….. Illegals carry out more serious crimes: murder, manslaughter, rape etc than both groups…

You’ll know the the drug stats, sex trafficking stats, drink driving deaths , gang related murders etc better than I do. If Americans don’t consider it a problem then you’re right……the wall is a waste of money and I needn’t waste my breath……

Dark Overlord said
But that’s different, the US and Mexico are at peace. Israel on the other hand is a Jewish nation in a far right Muslim continent.

As for the whole illegals carry out more serious crime, i’d like to point out that some of the worst attacks on US soil were done by US citizens, most notably the Boston marathon bombing.

  

Israel is at peace currently with Egypt and built its border wall with Jordan recently purely to keep out ‘refugees’……It’s worked; levels of illegal entries dropped by over 96% and there was a concordant drop in crime levels……..

Yes some of the worst terror attacks were from home grown children of immigrants and others……But the main problems resulting from unchecked border crossings are crime and drugs carried out by illegal immigrants….. and for some of the least important and least considered American workers, for them their displacement in the work place by cheap unskilled illegals is an enormous problem.

All countries need immigration……But I’d thought most Americans think it should be controlled. Maybe I’m wrong about that, though from all I’ve read I’m pretty certain that  those immigrants who have followed the rules and after great effort have become legal citizens want a wall…….

Once you’ve got a wall then you can add the whistles and bells of drones and electronic monitoring. You have control again at least at the Southern border and presumably other routes into the US will need plugging.

If you can convince me that you think it’s desirable for there to be open borders….Then I’ll have to concede the argument because I can’t see any case I could possibly make for building a wall that would carry any weight with you, and we’d just go round in circles.

If however you do believe that, presumably you could make a case against there being any walls at all….Round your home, or Obama’s or the White House or around prisons….Or the need for any locked doors for that matter. That personal wealth accrued by enterprise and endeavour should be shared and not protected and that personal safety, crime levels etc should  not be considered an issue worth bothering with.

I’m sure you don’t feel that way…….

If it’s purely a question of cost…….Then we can get into that next time.

Cheers