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Linde said
Oh America, I’m so sorry for you..Woke up this morning, immediately checked how things were going and as it looked like then, Trump was about to win, but it wasn’t final yet. I immediately felt sad. I’m not saying Clinton was a good candidate. No, it was picking between two bad things. But how could one ever accept a lying, discriminating, woman assaulting racist idiot to be president? How can you sell this to your children? ”It’s not okay to bully and discriminate, but no one gives a s**t because you CAN make it to the White House”.
America didn’t choose someone who is slightly better than Clinton in their eyes. America chose racism.
Also, I really wonder what consequences this presidency will have for us in Europe, and more specifically in the Netherlands where I live. I have read various articles where they’ve been discussed, but I wonder how much of it will be reality.
To say all those who voted for Trump voted for racism is an incredibly simple and wrong conclusion in my opinion as it ignores, taints and brands all those who have grown fed up with corrupt politicians taking backhanders to line their own pockets and further their own interests whilst ignoring, forgetting or just not caring about many groups of society. I’m not saying everyone who voted for Clinton stood for that but instead that is what she came to represent and people have had enough of it, are looking elsewhere and heard a very powerful campaign message from Trump.
And it shouldn’t be forgotten that Clinton ran such a disastrous campaign. All the news and sandals that emerged over Trump plus all of his comments and views throughout and still he trounced her.
People need to take step back, gather some composure and see what happens instead of panicking at what could possibly happen some point in the future.
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Ya, we need to remember that not all Trump votes are racists.
Economic reasons are part of why some of the industry states shifted since he reached our to white males in those jobs.
Clinton did run a bad campaign, she had hate thrown at her even before the campaign with people saying that she is pure evil. And during the campaign, the whole emails thing didn’t help.
Most people didn’t vote for Trump because of his sexism, people voted for him in spite of it.
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Offline On a lighter note, I don’t know who selected the Air Force One theme for Trump’s entrance, but it was just hilari-ous! xD
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Offline I’ve never hoped that the adage actions speak louder than words was true so hard. Whatever happens, America, you own this.
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1 November 2013
Offline I wonder it it would be possible for the excess Democratic in California to all move to another state and overwhelmed the Republicans?
Based purely on numbers.
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Offline This forum really surprises me in this aspect. It’s so different from other forums I’m on.
Oh well, this is exactly why I usually don’t engage in political discussions on forums.
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Offline What surprises me is how little the election is/was talked about.
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Offline I’m curious, @Linde. What is it you find surprising?
I am with you. I don’t make a habit of discussing politics.
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I’m curious, @Linde. What is it you find surprising?I am with you. I don’t make a habit of discussing politics.
Oh, just people’s opinions and the way they express things. Not that I disrespect them or their opinions, it’s just interesting to see the difference between various forums.
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Offline I did not vote for either Trump or Clinton. My conscience would not allow me to. To me, they represented the most despicable choices imaginable. Instead, I cast my vote for a third party candidate – don’t bother asking which one because it simply does not matter.
Linde said
America chose racism.
Yikes.
When I first read that, I didn’t quite know how to feel. I think that’s because the statement implies we Americans were presented with racism as a choice and opted for it. That’s absurd of course. After a bit more thought I think I know how I feel – confused. Did we really have a choice to make? If we did make a choice, what it a crystal clear, no-doubt-about it choice? I’m not so sure. DT won the electoral vote. HC won the popular vote. Neither margin was very large. This election could, and did for a while, go either way.
Linde said
…it was picking between two bad things. But how could one ever accept a lying, discriminating, woman assaulting racist idiot to be president? How can you sell this to your children?
I don’t think of it as Trump won. I think of it as Clinton didn’t win. But did America really vote for a lying, discriminating, woman assaulting racist idiot to be president? After all, the other choice was a lying, discriminating woman.
But let’s get back to that “choice” thing. It’s really bugging me. Did the final tally of votes represent how America feels about the two major candidates? Did we really choose a scumbag over a fraud? Some choice. There is no doubt in my mind that there were hardcore voters who wholeheartedly supported their candidate at the polls. But there were so many more voters who had no ties to any particular party or person. Here is what I feel really happened. As it got closer to Election Day, it became less about the two individuals or parties and more about what Americans did or did not want for the foreseeable future. HC represented Obama 3.0. Basically, four more years of gutless bullshit. Trump represented something completely different. Good, bad or otherwise, it’s not four more years of the same bullshit – it is all new bullshit. That’s how badly some Americans wanted something, anything to change. Don’t get the impression that I am defending the election of DT. Far from it. Let me remind you dear reader that I despise both of them. On election night, I wasn’t hoping for one of them to win. I was hoping for each of them to loose.
Going forward, what I can do is hope. I can hope that our new President keeps his acceptance speech promise of bringing our politically torn apart country together toward common good. I can hope that he also keeps his promises of improving our infrastructure and making us stronger and self-reliant by creating more jobs at home instead of abroad. I can hope that our built in system of checks and balances prevents him from doing the other too-numerous-to-go-into idiotic things he said he was going to do. If this all comes true, I can support our new president. Those are all of the things I can do.
What I refuse to do is sit back with arms folded waiting to say “I told you so”. If the half of the population who wanted for four more years of bullshit keep doing that, we are doomed no matter what.
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Offline One thing I am wondering about with Trump’s election is if he does bring factory-type jobs back to the U.S. will the lines in this chart start taking a nosedive? Does anyone have any thoughts about it?
I wonder because, at my school, when the economy is in the tank, more people take college classes. When the economy improves and people can get jobs, they drop out of college. It happens at some other schools too.
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One thing I am wondering about with Trump’s election is if he does bring factory-type jobs back to the U.S. will the lines in this chart start taking a nosedive? Does anyone have any thoughts about it?
I wonder because, at my school, when the economy is in the tank, more people take college classes. When the economy improves and people can get jobs, they drop out of college. It happens at some other schools too.
Most likely, I know a lot of people who go to college purely because they see the need to “have” a degree when they would be much better (and happier) learning a trade, doing an apprenticeship or just doing a short year-long course and going straight into work.
But because of job uncertainty at the minute, everyone is trying to get a degree which is leading to a saturation of graduates, who if they can’t get a job, do a PHD or Masters and then end up being overqualified for the job they actually want to do.
I still think a degree should be optional in life, the majority of people shouldn’t have to do one but alas at the minute that is the way the world is.
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I did not vote for either Trump or Clinton. My conscience would not allow me to. To me, they represented the most despicable choices imaginable. Instead, I cast my vote for a third party candidate – don’t bother asking which one because it simply does not matter.
Also, speaking of third parties, we really need to change our first past the post voting system to something like alternative voting so you can rank your choices so that way, voting third party isn’t the equivalent of throwing your vote away.
Did we really have a choice to make? If we did make a choice, what it a crystal clear, no-doubt-about it choice? I’m not so sure. DT won the electoral vote. HC won the popular vote. Neither margin was very large. This election could, and did for a while, go either way.
There is a choice, it comes down to the lesser of two evils. This whole election was bad. I think a reality show writer scripted this whole election.
I can hope that our built in system of checks and balances prevents him from doing the other too-numerous-to-go-into idiotic things he said he was going to do. If this all comes true, I can support our new president. Those are all of the things I can do.>
The checks and balances are in Trumps favor, both the house and the senate are Republican so for good or for worse, he can pass whatever he wants easily. Obama’s problem is that he had a republican congress.
I’m not as worried about Trump, he will probably bend to the will of the other republicans, I’m worried about Pence.
Also, no one got a majority in the popular vote, Hillary got 48%. No candidate really got half of America
I think what needs to change is the voting system. One where it is easy to vote and you can vote for whomever you want without worrying about the spoiler effect.
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Zig said
I did not vote for either Trump or Clinton. My conscience would not allow me to. To me, they represented the most despicable choices imaginable. Instead, I cast my vote for a third party candidate – don’t bother asking which one because it simply does not matter.Also, speaking of third parties, we really need to change our first past the post voting system to something like alternative voting so you can rank your choices so that way, voting third party isn’t the equivalent of throwing your vote away.
Did we really have a choice to make? If we did make a choice, what it a crystal clear, no-doubt-about it choice? I’m not so sure. DT won the electoral vote. HC won the popular vote. Neither margin was very large. This election could, and did for a while, go either way.
There is a choice, it comes down to the lesser of two evils. This whole election was bad. I think a reality show writer scripted this whole election.
I think that is the problem. The reality of the situation is that people could not bring themselves to vote Clinton or let Clinton in and so had no alternative but Trump despite everything he is. I would not have been able to vote Clinton so would have found myself in the position of Trump, not voting or voting for an Independent and basically wasting my vote. The only hope is that Trump getting in shakes up the political system and the way politicians act but I severely doubt it.
I can hope that our built in system of checks and balances prevents him from doing the other too-numerous-to-go-into idiotic things he said he was going to do. If this all comes true, I can support our new president. Those are all of the things I can do.>
The checks and balances are in Trumps favor, both the house and the senate are Republican so for good or for worse, he can pass whatever he wants easily. Obama’s problem is that he had a republican congress.
It is entirely possible that the Republicans in the House and Senate block Trump. I think a lot of people are hoping that is the case if he goes ahead with some of his more radical policies.
I’m not as worried about Trump, he will probably bend to the will of the other republicans, I’m worried about Pence.
Also, no one got a majority in the popular vote, Hillary got 48%. No candidate really got half of America
I think what needs to change is the voting system. One where it is easy to vote and you can vote for whomever you want without worrying about the spoiler effect.
‘The Simpsons’ (back when it was unmissable instead of unwatchable) sums the system up from 0:29 in the below video
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Offline So, there was a Nazi conference in Washington DC, with the head of the “alt right” (the group to which the new white house chief strategist, Steve Bannon, is connected) saying “Hail Trump” and everyone responding with the Nazi salute. Here is the video:
http://www.theatlantic.com/pol…..pi/508379/
In response, CNN debated whether or not Jews are human beings:
http://www.esquire.com/news-po…..as-a-real/
And now Ann Coulter is tweeting pro-Nazi things:
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Anyone who thinks Trump is better than Hillary is delusional.
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