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17 December 2012
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Georgia is an automatic recount, @Dark Overlord, and the Trump campaign has already withdrawn its demand for a recount in Nevada because the gap is too wide.
Waiting for Trump to speak for the first time in ten days. Subject Covid-19 vaccines but bound to be shouted questions about the election which he’ll answer or pretend haven’t been uttered.
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1 May 2011
Offline It doesn’t matter the result. Trump has shown his way is shouting whatever crap he believes and if you don’t agree then you are next to worthless. He could have lost far heavier and he’d still go on claiming unfairness, cheating, fraud, conspiracies and lies by all involved.
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9 March 2017
Offline I like to think of it this way, if Trump gets his recounts but STILL refuses to accept defeat, he would destroy every ounce of credibility he has left and make himself the laughing stock of the world, as well as destroy the careers of anyone who agrees with him on that front so unless Trump’s somehow able to discard ~50K votes, it’s a win win.
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Dark Overlord said
I like to think of it this way, if Trump gets his recounts but STILL refuses to accept defeat, he would destroy every ounce of credibility he has left and make himself the laughing stock of the world, as well as destroy the careers of anyone who agrees with him on that front so unless Trump’s somehow able to discard ~50K votes, it’s a win win.
I’ve got news for you…
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Ron Nasty said
Wow! A year ago Jeremy Corbyn was leading the Labour Party into a General Election, today he has been suspended by the party and had the whip removed (which means his vote in Parliament is no longer a Labour vote) over his attitude to anti-Semitism, pending a full investigation.
He kind of apologised for his comments when initially suspended and has had his suspension removed but hasn’t been rewhipped.
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2.30pm
26 January 2017
Offline If Starmer honestly believes that Corbyn is an antisemite, then he should probably explain to the public why he campaigned for him to be Prime Minister.
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17 December 2012
Offline Starmer hasn’t refused to return the whip on the grounds of Corbyn being antisemetic though, @QuarryMan, but instead for expressing views on the degree of antismitism in the party which undermined the current leadership’s moves to remove the stain of antisemitism from the party.
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9.59am
26 January 2017
Offline Ron Nasty said
Starmer hasn’t refused to return the whip on the grounds of Corbyn being antisemetic though, @QuarryMan, but instead for expressing views on the degree of antisemitism in the party which undermined the current leadership’s moves to remove the stain of antisemitism from the party.
Yeah, I suppose that’s true. Even if he’d left out the ‘overstated’ part, Corbyn’s statement would still have been highly unhelpful. I definitely think Starmer could’ve handled this better, though. The whole situation is now a huge mess that’s dividing the party and making us look awful to the public. If Starmer wants to stamp out the scourge of antisemitism he’d be better served uniting the party to do it, rather than making it an issue of right versus left.
Currently midway through a chapter on the antisemitism crisis in Owen Jones’ excellent obituary of the Corbyn project, This Land, and a combination of that and the racial politics module I’m currently taking has really helped me wrap my head around the nature of antisemitism and why the vast majority of people within the Labour Party who aren’t antisemitic themselves may not have been as capable of dealing with it as they could + should have been. I would highly recommend it to anyone.
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12.08am
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17 December 2012
Offline QuarryMan said
Ron Nasty said
Starmer hasn’t refused to return the whip on the grounds of Corbyn being antisemetic though, @QuarryMan, but instead for expressing views on the degree of antisemitism in the party which undermined the current leadership’s moves to remove the stain of antisemitism from the party.
Yeah, I suppose that’s true. Even if he’d left out the ‘overstated’ part, Corbyn’s statement would still have been highly unhelpful. I definitely think Starmer could’ve handled this better, though. The whole situation is now a huge mess that’s dividing the party and making us look awful to the public. If Starmer wants to stamp out the scourge of antisemitism he’d be better served uniting the party to do it, rather than making it an issue of right versus left.
I think Starmer was caught between a rock and a hard place. One of the core messages of his leadership campaign was that he would rebuild trust with the Jewish community (among whom Labour has always had strong support). Many Jewish MPs, members and supporters reserved judgement, saying his actions would speak louder than words.
The very first opportunity he has to make a clear and meaningful statement on antisemitism in the Labour Party, his response to the Equality and Human Rights Commission’s report on the troubles with it during Corbyn’s period of leadership, and Corbyn immediately comes out and rejects the Commission’s findings.
Had Starmer accepted Corbyn back into the parliamentary party (at least, without a fight) it would have further alienated the Jewish community and could have resulted in further resignations from the party; not welcoming him back into the Parliamentary party with open arms would always have caused outrage among his supporters.
Jewish Labour voices were already reacting in anger to Corbyn’s readmission to the wider party by the NEC, with Dame Margaret Hodge (the Jewish Labour Movement’s parliamentary chair) promising Starmer her resignation from the party if Corbyn was allowed to sit as a Labour MP. The division was the inevitable result of the NEC decision. It could be argued that the NEC (which has many Corbyn supporters among its number) set up this confrontation between left and right, and that they would have been better to say that, since Labour are setting up an independent process in response to the EHRC report, that the case would be better judged by waiting for the new independent process than by a five-person committee that the EHRC had already found at fault in its handling of such cases.
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2.05am
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1 May 2011
Offline Corbyn being readmitted would have caused as much of an issue within Labour due to divisions thru-out the party. To show some sign of leadership and signal that Starmer was actively doing something to finally address the issue of anti-Semitism within Labour, this was really the only course of action he could take. That Corbyn’s initial response downplayed the findings of the report only reinforced action was required, regardless of the clarification he gave later.
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10.52am
11 September 2018
Offline This week has been Anti-Bullying week in the UK. In other an investiation into Priti Patel (the Home Secretary) has found ‘evidence of bullying behaviour’ in her managerial style. Usually this would be classified as gross-misconduct and probably result in dismissal, but Boris Johnson has chose to ignore the report and defend Patel, as have a significant number of backbench Tory MPs on Twitter.
I’m not here to ask if Patel is a bully or not, that’s for the people she’s managed and for the investigators to decide. But I’m intrigued about a number of things.
1. Where do all these rent-a-quote MPs come from, and who tells them to defend a colleague on Twitter? It was similar with Dominic Cummings/Barnard Castle incident earlier in the yea, with many Conservative MPs praising Cumming’s paternal instinct etc. Are they praising Patel because they genuinely believe she is a nice person or because they’ve been told to?
2. Why am I convinced that if you replace the words ‘Priti Patel’ with ‘Diane Abbott (the Shadow HS)’ the same people defending Patel on Twitter, would be demanding that Keir Stamer sack Diane Abbott for breaking the Ministerial Code. Why am I also convinced that the same people saying Patel should be sacked, would be lining up to defend Abbot’s character etc?
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26 January 2017
Offline wait, so an adult can get in trouble for bullying? That seems weird to me, considering in America people bully each other all day long and you never even hear the word brought up.
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3.19pm
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1 May 2011
Offline If it was Labour then the Tories would be demanding the MP be sacked and Labour would be defending him/her. Happens every time and it doesn’t matter what they do. To expect otherwise nowadays is plain daft.
The lesson to learn is that doing bad things is bad, unless they are in your party when it’s not their fault and they are really sorry that you think it is.
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5.43pm
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17 December 2012
Offline BREAKING NEWS: In the last few minutes it’s being reported that Emily Murphy, head of the General Services Administration, the agency in the US that oversees the transition, has told Joe Biden that the transition to his presidency can formally begin; meaning he now has access to the funding he should and, more important, the necessary briefings he needs to know the exact position he’s inheriting.
President Trump, and this could be the nearest we ever get to a concession, has tweeted:
I want to thank Emily Murphy at GSA for her steadfast dedication and loyalty to our Country. She has been harassed, threatened, and abused – and I do not want to see this happen to her, her family, or employees of GSA. Our case STRONGLY continues, we will keep up the good fight, and I believe we will prevail! Nevertheless, in the best interest of our Country, I am recommending that Emily and her team do what needs to be done with regard to initial protocols, and have told my team to do the same.
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5.24am
26 January 2017
Offline Fingers crossed for a peaceful transition of power.
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I've sat there on the barstool and I've looked him in the face.
He seemed a little haggard, but it did not slow him down,
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2.54am
8 August 2019
Offline @The Hole Got Fixed said on another thread
If you do find the time I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the US election…
Oh where do I begin. I probably think exactly what you think I’m thinking. First off I find it terrifying and somehow also hilarious how Trump isn’t willing to move an inch, to stop a second and actually ask himself if he should at least go down with honor. Even though I oppose Trump and always have held him in very low regard, I can’t believe he won’t even concede this. I didn’t think he could be more of a bad example and a man child.
On another note, American media that defends him is seriously embarrassing. Generally, I think the arrogance is on both sides, which is partially why, even though I lean left, left-leaning media has been disgusting me as well lately. But on the last month, they have had plenty to complain about, given we have the most powerful man in the world unwilling to step down from office. And media spreading misinformation to somehow support that makes me sick. There should be a line of decency that right now the US lacks, and sets a bad example for the rest of the world that is watching.
On another note I think the fact that Joe Biden has won the election overshadows a much bigger issue with the US electing system (even though many have pointed it out), which is the structure of the US electoral system, which I find ridiculous. I am aware that Biden would’ve won anyways but that is besides the point that not all votes count equally. I don’t fully understand it but I understand as much as the totality of the votes is not taken into account. Dividing by states, and having those states divided by a select group of people is such an easy way to not make justice to what the majority of the people want (which I believe was the case for Clinton on 2016).
And even though Trump won fair and square on the first election, he won under a system that should’ve been changed a long time ago, and now that the election has come to a relative end and the Democratic Party got what they wanted, the topic probably won’t be discussed until the next election, when it will be again too late to change it. If you have 300 million people voting, 300 million votes should be counted and 300 million votes should be taken into account. It’s crazy.
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Only 40,000 vaccines will be ready in Alabama when they begin administering. 
I hope the start administering more because I’m in the top bracket work in homecare with the elderly.
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27 November 2016
Offline Jules said
@The Hole Got Fixed said on another thread
If you do find the time I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the US election…
Oh where do I begin. I probably think exactly what you think I’m thinking. First off I find it terrifying and somehow also hilarious how Trump isn’t willing to move an inch, to stop a second and actually ask himself if he should at least go down with honor. Even though I oppose Trump and always have held him in very low regard, I can’t believe he won’t even concede this. I didn’t think he could be more of a bad example and a man child.
That’s because he’s an extreme narcissist, who refuses to believe the majority of the population doesn’t want him to be president. I totally agree though, I’m susprised he doesn’t want to go down with a tiny amount of honour.
On another note, American media that defends him is seriously embarrassing. Generally, I think the arrogance is on both sides, which is partially why, even though I lean left, left-leaning media has been disgusting me as well lately. But on the last month, they have had plenty to complain about, given we have the most powerful man in the world unwilling to step down from office. And media spreading misinformation to somehow support that makes me sick. There should be a line of decency that right now the US lacks, and sets a bad example for the rest of the world that is watching.
The media is just ridiculous, and it’s like that pretty much everywhere in the world. There’s little in the way of unbiased media, and it’s a real problem. The lack of integrity and the arrogance, as you say, is astounding.
On another note I think the fact that Joe Biden has won the election overshadows a much bigger issue with the US electing system (even though many have pointed it out), which is the structure of the US electoral system, which I find ridiculous. I am aware that Biden would’ve won anyways but that is besides the point that not all votes count equally. I don’t fully understand it but I understand as much as the totality of the votes is not taken into account. Dividing by states, and having those states divided by a select group of people is such an easy way to not make justice to what the majority of the people want (which I believe was the case for Clinton on 2016).
And even though Trump won fair and square on the first election, he won under a system that should’ve been changed a long time ago, and now that the election has come to a relative end and the Democratic Party got what they wanted, the topic probably won’t be discussed until the next election, when it will be again too late to change it. If you have 300 million people voting, 300 million votes should be counted and 300 million votes should be taken into account. It’s crazy.
Agree 100%. The electoral college is stupid, it means some people’s vote is worth more than others. For the presidential race, it should be decided on who wins the popular vote – that’s easily the fairest way of doing it. The fact that there are 192,919 people per electoral vote in Wyoming and 718,404 people per electoral vote in California is wrong and unfair – a person from Wyoming has an almost 4 times greater say than a Californian.
Thanks for your views, very fascinating. And we agreed on everything
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1 November 2013
Offline The electoral collage will just end up with Texas swinging every vote
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17 December 2012
Offline Trump-appointed, and big supporter of, Attorney General Bill Barr says of the Department of Justice and the FBI “To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”
President Trump is not happy. Bill Barr another sacking in the pipeline?
Electoral college would be much more representative if it returned its electors based on a proportional representation, and then Republicans in California and Democrats in Wyoming would have a voice in elections instead of being ignored.
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